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hsm
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 Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:22 pm Post subject: Cameras installed in classrooms? Your opinions... |
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Have you taught in a classroom where cameras installed? Is that legal? Is there any pedagogical theory behind that?
Or just psychopathic practices by crappy employers?
Please relate your experience and how you dealt with that. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I have never experienced this, but can imagine that it would be the dream of many supervisors in KSA - especially those in a military setting ! |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Pointing at whom? Teacher or students? Makes quite a lot of difference! |
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plumpy nut
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Is it legal? That's of no consequence in Saudi Arabia, but it helps the low grade universities determine if a instructor really is pointing his feet at the students or getting angry when the students cheat during tests. |
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hsm
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| Pointing at whom? Teacher or students? Makes quite a lot of difference! |
Cameras in classrooms are intended to keep teachers under constant surveillance and students as well!
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| That's of no consequence in Saudi Arabia, but it helps the low grade universities determine if a instructor really is pointing his feet at the students or getting angry when the students cheat during tests. |
Will you be able to survive in a classroom monitored 24/7 regardless of the validity of the reasons behind installing cameras?
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| I have never experienced this, but can imagine that it would be the dream of many supervisors in KSA - especially those in a military setting ! |
Some Aramco vendors do that  |
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sicklyman
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| Some Aramco vendors do that |
can you back that up with a specific location where this takes place?
All the classrooms I've taught in here have had at least 20 cameras installed. Sometimes the students attempted to use them to take images of me teaching and post them on social media.
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scot47
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| No need for CCTV when all the students have at least one mobile phone with them. They use them for recording what is going on. Remember the incident with the teacher taking his clothes off as a protest against the dress code ? |
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bigdurian
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| For it to be worthwhile, there would have to be a microphone as well. What's the point of seeing without hearing what is actually being said in the classroom. If you want to assess actual teaching, and not just see what people are doing. |
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2buckets
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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At a military school in Iran, there were microphones to enable the administration to listen in. Occasionally they would comment on the PA system. We always said nice things about the Shah.
"Shah, Shah, I a told ya!" |
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pooroldedgar
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There were cameras in the rooms when I taught in South Korea. I was still pretty young and they made me very uncomfortable. Must have been what it was like to leave in the Eastern Bloc. That said, it did make me do better. I suspect most people give a bit more when they know (or think) they're being evaluated.
The official line was that they were there to protect the teachers; to weed out false accusations and complaint. And who knows, maybe that happened from time to time. At the end of the day, cameras are less important than the particular person monitoring them. That said, the mindset of an administration that has them installed is not particularly promising.
Also, Scot47, no, as a matter of fact we are not all familiar with the stripping teacher. Do tell.... |
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plumpy nut
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At a military school in Iran, there were microphones to enable the administration to listen in. Occasionally they would comment on the PA system. We always said nice things about the Shah.
"Shah, Shah, I a told ya!" |
Imagine teaching and some cockroach breaks in during the middle of a lesson "Hurry up Hurry up". |
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rustyrockets
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| scot47 wrote: |
| No need for CCTV when all the students have at least one mobile phone with them. They use them for recording what is going on. Remember the incident with the teacher taking his clothes off as a protest against the dress code ? |
This actually happened in Saudi Arabia?!?!?!?! |
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Gulezar
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:47 am Post subject: Re: Cameras installed in classrooms? Your opinions... |
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| hsm wrote: |
Have you taught in a classroom where cameras installed? Is that legal? Is there any pedagogical theory behind that?
Or just psychopathic practices by crappy employers?
Please relate your experience and how you dealt with that. |
I've taught in universities in the UAE that had cameras. One was mixed gender, so I think that was to keep an eye on the students. |
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babur
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:37 am Post subject: cameras & undressing |
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scot47 wrote:
No need for CCTV when all the students have at least one mobile phone with them. They use them for recording what is going on. Remember the incident with the teacher taking his clothes off as a protest against the dress code ?
This actually happened in Saudi Arabia?!?!?!?! |
Yes. |
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hsm
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| That said, the mindset of an administration that has them installed is not particularly promising. |
Especially in Saudi context.
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| Is it legal? That's of no consequence in Saudi Arabia |
Is it a common practice in countries other than Saudi Arabia?
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| For it to be worthwhile, there would have to be a microphone as well. |
That will be nerve-racking  especially when one decides to stay more than one year in the same school then will see more than one manager, probably.
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| No need for CCTV when all the students have at least one mobile phone with them. |
OK but at least you can still tell them mobile phones aren't allowed during the class. |
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