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currentaffairs
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The SIT TESOL point I can't agree with, though. Yes, it looks a good course and I am sure it trains teachers properly but it is hardly known across the world. Most employers are looking for Trinity or CELTA for the better jobs. If people have the choice then I think it is better to recommend either of those two courses, and then others as a second preference. Some employers will only employ teachers with those qualifications as well:
'If you are seeking to gain a qualification in TEFL which is recognised by the British Council and by reputable English language schools worldwide, we advise you to take either the Cambridge CELTA or the Trinity Cert. TESOL.
Other TEFL courses will not have the same credibility therefore may not be effective in helping you to start your career as an EFL teacher. St Giles itself only employ teachers with one of these qualifications to work in its own English language schools.'
http://www.stgiles-international.com/teacher-training-at-stgiles/celta-or-tesol
If you want to work in China or Thailand then most TEFL certs will suffice. However, for a longer career in the EFL world and openings in Europe, and better jobs in the Middle East and Asia then I think Trinity certTESOL or CELTA is the way to go.. |
Just because you don't have knowledge about something doesn't mean it's mediocre or substandard. Some of SIT TESOL's credits may be applied toward SIT Graduate Institute's on-campus MA in TESOL program. (SIT Graduate Institute is accredited by the same US higher ed commission that accredits Harvard University and MIT.) But it seems we'll have to agree to disagree.
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All teachers at St Giles International must have, as a minimum requirement, a recognised certificate for Teaching English as a Foreign Language, for example the Cambridge CELTA or the Trinity Cert. TESOL or equivalent, as well as a University degree.
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I am not saying substandard just that it is not as well recognised. With the plethora of TEFL certs out there I think it is wise to give good advice on what employers are looking for.. I gave just one example that came up on the first page of my google search where the employer explicitly stated that they would only hire people with Trinity CertTESOL or CELTA certs.
The way the industry as a whole is going employers are becoming far more picky on exactly what kind of MA and teaching cert you have. |
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spiral78
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'If you are seeking to gain a qualification in TEFL which is recognised by the British Council and by reputable English language schools worldwide, we advise you to take either the Cambridge CELTA or the Trinity Cert. TESOL.
Other TEFL courses will not have the same credibility |
I hire for a European institution and work with a network of others. SIT TESOL is equally credible and we know what it is. |
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currentaffairs
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'If you are seeking to gain a qualification in TEFL which is recognised by the British Council and by reputable English language schools worldwide, we advise you to take either the Cambridge CELTA or the Trinity Cert. TESOL.
Other TEFL courses will not have the same credibility |
I hire for a European institution and work with a network of others. SIT TESOL is equally credible and we know what it is. |
You have said that twice.. Obviously, some employers don't recognise it as my example showed. Your institution does which is fine. I am sure others would, too.. But, there are plenty that might be more picky.
On the British Council careers page it explicitly asks for CELTA or Trinity certTESOL only:
'Not all teaching posts have the same requirements. We therefore explain the duties associated with the job and the skills and experience we’re looking for, plus any other qualifying criteria in the vacancy information. However, for standard teaching roles at entry level, we are looking for candidates with the following:
Cambridge CELTA or Trinity Cert. TESOL, or the precursors to these (e.g. RSA Prep. Cert or CTEFLA).'
http://www.britishcouncil.org/jobs/careers/english/teachers |
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alexmac84
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| Thank you all! This is great information. I am really happy I talked with all of you. The fact that I can take the course while working in ESL is also a major plus. |
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bograt
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:55 am Post subject: |
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On the British Council careers page it explicitly asks for CELTA or Trinity certTESOL only:
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Having worked in recruitment for the BC I can say they are pretty flexible about this. The important thing is you have done a minimum of 6 hours practical training. So they'd accept a SIT TESOL but not an MA in TESOL without a practical element. |
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currentaffairs
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:37 am Post subject: |
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On the British Council careers page it explicitly asks for CELTA or Trinity certTESOL only:
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Having worked in recruitment for the BC I can say they are pretty flexible about this. The important thing is you have done a minimum of 6 hours practical training. So they'd accept a SIT TESOL but not an MA in TESOL without a practical element. |
I would tend to agree, although obviously the preference would be for the two aforementioned certs. If a British Council school in Colombia is short and looking for teachers then they wouldn't be so picky. |
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buravirgil
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Has the fog burned off yet...or does it still creep?
Does anyone know a ball-park percentage of MA TESOLs that don't have a practicum? Because damn, what's the point?
I'll readdress the OP about my initial query of degrees vs. certifications, (why any conflation does matter) and fire off a flare in regard to academic vs. professional degrees as they're perceived by admininstrators and managers.
And I'll say why: Accelerated MA programs, the title of them, are too often a money game. The greatest deficiency I perceive is an absence of knowledge about curriculum design (and its assessment) to which holders of Education degrees are at least introduced. And with that, I'll bow out. |
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In the heat of the moment
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My Trinity cert. TESOL was 130 hours, and it is so equally regarded as the CELTA that they're interchangeable in conversation. i.e. You could say I have a CELTA when you have a Trinity cert. TESOL (or vice versa) and it'll make no difference with most people.
Well worth getting, IMO. |
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spiral78
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I'll readdress the OP about my initial query of degrees vs. certifications, (why any conflation does matter) and fire off a flare in regard to academic vs. professional degrees as they're perceived by admininstrators and managers.
And I'll say why: Accelerated MA programs, the title of them, are too often a money game. The greatest deficiency I perceive is an absence of knowledge about curriculum design (and its assessment) to which holders of Education degrees are at least introduced. And with that, I'll bow out. |
But who was discussing accelerated MA programs?   The OP is just going for a basic entry-level cert. |
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buravirgil
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| But who was discussing accelerated MA programs? The OP is just going for a basic entry-level cert. |
Perhaps, in part, I'm taking issue with tautological qualifyers such as "basic" and "entry-level" to cite three, equivalent "bars", as it were. The thread includes discussion and direction of a range of qualifications and had included MA TESOLs (of which some portion are accelerated) and n-hour certifications with distinctions of practical components. What I find laughably preposterous are differences of n±10 hours that reflect market forces. By extension, I'm speaking to issues of what education is required to do a job versus administer its delivery. You're well aware of DELTA tracks. I've witnessed conflicts of "institutional needs" and "standards of practice". Issues of resources, ultimately.
Having promised to bow out, I'll refrain from further argument and invite you to PM your emojiis, but not expect it. |
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Trevor Wadlow
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:37 pm Post subject: Is the Trinity TESL worth the money? |
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| The only difference between the Trinity Cert and the CELTA is the former's greater emphasis on Phonology. This becomes even more obvious when you take the higher certificate (DELTA, Trinity Diploma). |
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