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spiral78
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But I tend to substantiate claims and provide supportive evidence or argument. My post wasn't irrelevant to the topic when another member chooses to make suggestions and inform a new member about pursuing ESL work with only an English degree. In fact, Spiral asserted such a background couldn't "overcome" the advantages of a CELTA.
To be fair, Spiral admittedly releated what makes for a competitive resume in Europe, but I've consistently challenged experienced members of the forum about asserting the CELTA (and its equivalent) is the "best training" to pursue. I do so because of what study I pursued of Linguistics and the opinions of graduate students with whom I shared that study. |
Buravirgil, your linguistics degree and your graduate students are irrelevant to the OP's chances of finding work in Europe with only a BA in English. I've worked (and hired) in the region since 1998. On this job market, a BA English will not 'overcome' lack of a CELTA.
My remarks are limited to the European job market.
I'm not dragging my grad students into the argument  |
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buravirgil
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Buravirgil, your linguistics degree and your graduate students are irrelevant to the OP's chances of finding work in Europe with only a BA in English. I've worked (and hired) in the region since 1998. On this job market, a BA English will not 'overcome' lack of a CELTA.
My remarks are limited to the European job market.
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To be clear: You've quoted that I acknowledged how you qualified your responses to the OP-- in regard to markets.
And I have an English degree, not one Linguistics, complemented by graduate courses as an undergraduate, and that's why I've made the distinctions I have. I don't know what you could mean by yours or my graduate students, but as I've asserted before, what's become of the "industry" is an emphasis on commercial certification and a de-emphasis of a tertiary degree with relevance to the content being taught.
I understand emphasizing a practical component, even one as minimal as CELTA's (and others') is better than none, but they are not academic, not descriptive, and are developed by an agenda. So until Dave's becomes just a place to find job counseling, I'll make the distinctions I have. |
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spiral78
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To be clear: You've quoted that I acknowledged how you qualified your responses to the OP-- in regard to markets.
And I have an English degree, not one Linguistics, complemented by graduate courses as an undergraduate, and that's why I've made the distinctions I have. I don't know what you could mean by yours or my graduate students, but as I've asserted before, what's become of the "industry" is an emphasis on commercial certification and a de-emphasis of a tertiary degree with relevance to the content being taught.
I understand emphasizing a practical component, even one as minimal as CELTA's (and others') is better than none, but they are not academic, not descriptive, and are developed by an agenda. So until Dave's becomes just a place to find job counseling, I'll make the distinctions I have |
Nope, none of that's clear.
Maybe someone's interested in your oft-repeated perspective on training, but as it's not me, I'll defer any further response to you, buravirgil.
Not cutting myself off from conversing with others on this and other threads, though. Discussing what will be useful on the job market (regardless of its philosophical ramifications) has some clear purpose. |
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buravirgil
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Nope, none of that's clear.
Maybe someone's interested in your oft-repeated perspective on training, but as it's not me, I'll defer any further response to you, buravirgil. |
Willful ignorance is a strategy and a privilege you'll no doubt enjoy.
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| Not cutting myself off from conversing with others on this and other threads, though. Discussing what will be useful on the job market (regardless of its philosophical ramifications) has some clear purpose. |
I've engaged no philosophy. Interpreting an objection to your posts as any kind of censure or limit (if that's what you've implied) is asinine. No one's attempted to "cut you off", but merely take the liberty to contradict the predilections of someone frequently citing their experience with hiring committees. |
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