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isaak
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 Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:59 am Post subject: hire pro offer, advice please? |
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A friend of mine got an offer with this recruitment company hire pro it's for vocational college in the eastern province. I found it strange they want you there immediately using business visa for the first 90 days and thereafter, they will switch it to an iqama. Is this normal or legit? They fly you to Bahrain to obtain your business visa and then cross the bridge to Saudi.
• The appointment is for an initial period of one year with the possibility of extension
• Salary ranges from 36,000USD to 42,000USD basic annual package
• Male 25% housing and 10% transport allowance????
• End of year pay (per Saudi law) usually one month salary
• Health insurance
• 30 days annual vacation to be taken during the summer
• Air ticket from home country & return ticket upon completion of contract
Is 25% housing normal I was under the impression all saudis employers pay for accommodation. Any advice is welcome?
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gregory999
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: hire pro offer, advice please? |
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| isaak wrote: |
| I found it strange they want you there immediately using business visa for the first 90 days and thereafter, they will switch it to an iqama. Is this normal or legit? They fly you to Bahrain to obtain your business visa and then cross the bridge to Saudi. |
I do not think you can switch a business visa into an iqama.
You need a proper work visa to be able to get an iqama.
Do not repeat the same mistake as this one:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=112433 |
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scot47
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They are using business visas because they have no allocation for Iqamas. If you take the bait you will be on a business visa in perpetuity. No transfer to an iqama. It does not work that way.
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: hire pro offer, advice please? |
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FYI: Not a good example. That McGill teacher was on the right type of visa since McGill University is a Canadian and not a Saudi entity.
| isaak wrote: |
| Is 25% housing normal I was under the impression all saudis employers pay for accommodation. Any advice is welcome. |
Not all Saudi employers provide housing; some include an allowance, which allows employees to choose their own housing and location. If that's a concern to you and/or your friend, then only apply to those ads that indicate employer-provided accommodation. |
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gregory999
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: hire pro offer, advice please? |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
FYI: Not a good example. That McGill teacher was on the right type of visa since McGill University is a Canadian and not a Saudi entity. |
May be he was on the right type of visa (business visa), but he was on the wrong side of the Saudi labour laws. He was working illegally in the Magic Kingdom, and this is what he wrote:
The McGill teachers were working on a visa annotated “NOT PERMITTED TO WORK’ which all the McGill teachers were provided on arriving in Bahrain before being transported to Saudi Arabia.
According to Saudi Labor Law:
Article (33):
A non- Saudi may not engage in or be allowed to engage in any work except after obtaining a work permit from the Ministry, according to the form prepared by it for this purpose.
The Ministry of Labor did not issue McGill teachers with a work permit known as an Iqama. |
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currentaffairs
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Fairly basic contract but the business visa is a real negative because you can't open a bank account, you can't get a car, and you can't leave the country outside the visa runs.
My contract provides for half a month's worth of salary as a bonus per year. After five years of service, it rises to the equivalent of one month's salary per year. I would double check the details of the offer. |
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plumpy nut
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| You in fact cannot change a business visa into an employment visa leading to an Iqama. You have to go back to your own country and reapply for the visa. In addition to the rubbish about having the visa changed, the rotten Saudi companies will tell you they are sending you back home all expenses paid to get your employment visa. Of course you learn that no Saudi Company once they have you is going to fund any expenses of staying in your country waiting regardless of what they say. |
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hash
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: hire pro offer, advice please? |
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| isaak wrote: |
| • Salary ranges from 36,000USD to 42,000USD basic annual package |
1 - The most slippery and perilous word in the announcement is the ubiquitous term "PACKAGE" found in the quote above.
Remember that "package" can mean anything. In contemporary "recruitment" parlance, it is usually used as a deceptive way to trick applicants into thinking that the amount quoted (in this case: "36,000USD to 42,000USD") is what the applicant is going to get as salary.....as "take home pay" so to speak (The amount you can actually sock away in a bank).
The suspicious part of this sentence is the term "total package". If the salary to be received REALLY IS $36-42 thou, why mention "total package"? Why not just say "$36-40"? and leave it at that?
I'll tellya why......It's because $36-42 is unlikely to be JUST the actual SALARY. Instead, it's likely salary plus other payments due you. It could even include your "housing" as part of the "package". I've even come across an employer who included the AIRFARE (back and forth) as part of the "package".
Be sure you tell your friend to "demand" a breakdown of what exactly that "package" includes. I think he'll be horrified when he realizes how little of the "package" is the actual salary.
2 - Many disagree with me but I wouldn't accept any job that didn't provide HOUSING as part of the deal. Not in KSA, where everything is stacked against you the minute that airplane door first opens up for you.
Forget the "housing allowance" (like what a 5 year old gets weekly from mommy and daddy)....I need the actual RESIDENCE - furnished - upon my arrival. What? They expect a westerner to arrive in some place like Tabuk and what, start looking for an apt?....like he would do upon arriving in Dodge City or Tampa for a new job?
I find that so outrageous, I'm ashamed how many of my countrymen meekly accept that scenario as "normal", like they are a bunch of hired servants expected to "get by" as well as they can and left to their own devices for survival. Pathetic.
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: hire pro offer, advice please? |
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| gregory999 wrote: |
| nomad soul wrote: |
FYI: Not a good example. That McGill teacher was on the right type of visa since McGill University is a Canadian and not a Saudi entity. |
May be he was on the right type of visa (business visa), but he was on the wrong side of the Saudi labour laws. |
I posted my response on that referenced thread. |
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