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yellow_trainers
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:59 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Captain Willard"] Of course, the employer should not be holding the property of a sovereign nation in the first place...
The law has changed and now it is illegal to hold the passports of the employees. And as you say, a passport is the property of a sovereign nation.
In any case, photocopies are useful. If you have an IQAMA, give this to them and keep a copy of it just in case you'll need it. And KEEP YOUR PASSPORT if you want to be free and not beg for it if you want to travel somewhere. Because the HR person, incapable as he is, will forget that you've requested it and will hand it out to you at the very last minute. And because you won't be the only one requesting their passports, you'll have to wait in line.
Have I mentioned that they don't tell you that they keep your passport? They ask for it to make a photocopy and never give it back to you.
Al Yamamah is not the place to go. Everybody hates it. Students included. |
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scot47

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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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"accidentally wander across the border" Which one ?
With Iraq ? Syria, Yemen ?
Come on, get real ! |
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Captain Willard
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| yellow_trainers wrote: |
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Of course, the employer should not be holding the property of a sovereign nation in the first place...
Yes, there is a law to this effect. However, I have never heard of it being enforced for those on an iquama. Law in KSA doesn't mean what it does in the West. I have heard of consulates demanding the return of passports for those working on visit/business visas, and prevailing.
The law has changed and now it is illegal to hold the passports of the employees. And as you say, a passport is the property of a sovereign nation. |
In any case, photocopies are useful. If you have an IQAMA, give this to them and keep a copy of it just in case you'll need it. And KEEP YOUR PASSPORT if you want to be free and not beg for it if you want to travel somewhere. Because the HR person, incapable as he is, will forget that you've requested it and will hand it out to you at the very last minute. And because you won't be the only one requesting their passports, you'll have to wait in line.
Have I mentioned that they don't tell you that they keep your passport? They ask for it to make a photocopy and never give it back to you.
Al Yamamah is not the place to go. Everybody hates it. Students included. |
KSA borders many countries. There is still a highway to Oman that is still incomplete as far as I know. I have heard that the locals can cross to Oman without using the border crossing. I am sure that is not the only place it happens. If someone truly wants to leave the Magic Kingdom, the lack of an exit visa won't be a barrier. Conversely, the lack of a passport is always a problem when legally traveling internationally.
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"accidentally wander across the border" Which one ?
With Iraq ? Syria, Yemen ?
Come on, get real ! |
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scot47

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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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To drive to Oman you have to go through the UAE. Jordan ? I do not think so
Iraq ?
No
Syria ?
No
Kuwait - maybe
Where else ? |
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yellow_trainers
Joined: 19 Mar 2015 Posts: 9
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:40 pm Post subject: Your superiors |
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If you got a job at SILC / Al Yamamah, here's a link to have a look who your superiors will be. (Not all of them are still there. The best, but one are gone)
The choice is yours. There's still time to step back and look for something else.
http://interlink.edu/about/saudi-interlink-language-centers/
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scot47

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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Link ?
I see no link ! |
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yellow_trainers
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yellow_trainers
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:41 am Post subject: Anyone working there? |
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Is anyone working there? What is it like? Bad? Are any new westerners that are not Muslims?
Do you get a shitty treatment and tons of emails telling you something about corrective action will be taken? |
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scot47

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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| The poster known as "Cleopatra" was a teacher there some moons ago. |
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nomad soul

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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone working there? |
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| yellow_trainers wrote: |
| Are any new westerners that are not Muslims? |
What difference would their religion make? Besides, KSA is the hub of Islam. |
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scot47

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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Islamophobia is surprisingly common among TEFLers in KSA. |
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mashkif
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Islamophobia is surprisingly common among TEFLers in KSA. |
"Islamophobia": when a non-Moslem knows more about Islam than he/she is supposed to.
No wonder it's prevalent among the Westerners who experience Islam at first hand. I came to the Gulf as a wishy-washy, bleeding-heart liberal; took me a few years to change to, well, somebody who wholeheartedly supports the likes of Ben Carson when it comes to their views on Islam. |
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johnslat

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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Alas, I spent only about 22 years in Muslim countries - 20 of them in the Middle East.
That must be far too short a time to develop the ability to make sweeping generalizations and say other stupid things:
"Carson Backs Trump's Claim of People Cheering on 9/11 0:34
Hours after Ben Carson told reporters he remembers seeing American Muslims celebrating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, his campaign said the GOP presidential candidate was "thinking something differently" and does not remember such reaction in the U.S.
"Dr. Carson does not stand by the statements that were reported today. He was hearing and thinking something differently at the the time," Carson communications director Doug Watts said in a statement on Monday. "He does, however, recall and had his mind focused on the celebrations in the Middle East. He is not suggesting that American Muslims were in New Jersey celebrating the fall of the twin towers."
Watts added that Carson apologizes to "anybody offended by that."
Earlier in the day, Carson said that he, like fellow GOP candidate Donald Trump has claimed, has seen "newsreels" of American Muslims celebrating the attack in New Jersey."
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Ben Carson offered up a new explanation for why he’s opposed to a Muslim American becoming president, citing fears of “different loyalties” that he believes the Founding Fathers articulated by barring immigrants from becoming chief executive.
As has been the case in the past, the implication was that outwardly patriotic Muslims could not be fully trusted as loyal Americans given their faith. He has previously cited theories popular on the far right warning that seemingly assimilated Muslim Americans may be using religious edicts to conceal an extremist plot.
The latest comments came at an appearance at the National Press Club on Friday, when an audience member asked why he felt a Muslim citizen couldn’t be loyal to the Constitution as president given that there were already Muslim military officers, policemen, and judges – all positions that require fidelity to the law.
RELATED: Ben Carson’s Holocaust theory prompts outcry from Jewish groups
“A good understanding of the Constitution answers that question for you,” Carson said. “Because when you look at the Article II, and we’re talking about requirements for the president, they have to be a ‘natural born citizen.’ Now why is that the case?”
The clause Carson refers to bars naturalized immigrants from the position of president. There are numerous Muslims born in America, of course, and a hypothetical Muslim president would by definition have to be a natural born citizen.
The Constitution prohibits any “religious test” for public office, but Carson argued on Friday that the audience should read between the lines to divine the Founder’s intent. "
Regards,
John |
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yellow_trainers
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:38 pm Post subject: Focus please! |
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The question set wasn't about religion, the question is, is anybody working there who wants to share their experience?
More important, how is working with GINA??? |
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