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Day Dreamer
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 Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:47 pm Post subject: Advice about Rome |
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I'm not new to teaching ESL. I have almost 8 years of experience and I'm over 50, so only a few things are new to me.
In no particular order, I need some help/suggestions/advice/etc. about Rome
- I have Italian citizenship, so work here is not a problem. But is it okay to work for more than one company (especially if both offer part time work)?
- I've tried casa.it to find accommodations. However my Italian reading skills are limited. Is there a website that offers information in English?
- is there a magic formula to find private students? I specialize in IELTS/TOEFL/GRE/GMAT
- also an honest price range to charge. I don't want to rape them, but I also expect to earn a good rate for what I give
- is there a "foreign teachers'" hangout or a place where expects congregate? Where I used to live, we were a small group so we hung out together often (strength in numbers)
- where can I find a cheap English newspaper
Thanks in advance to any answers or replies  |
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Xie Lin
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:53 am Post subject: |
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I've tried casa.it to find accommodations. However my Italian reading skills are limited. Is there a website that offers information in English?
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Try http://www.wantedinrome.com
Copies can also be found all around the city
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where can I find a cheap English newspaper
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Try the Anglo American Book Store on Via delle Vite. I've also found them in Termini Station
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- I have Italian citizenship, so work here is not a problem. But is it okay to work for more than one company (especially if both offer part time work)?
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I THINK that with Italian citizenship this isn't an issue, but best to wait for someone with more authoritative information (perhaps Teacher In Rome) to come along.
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Day Dreamer
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Much appreciated |
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Teacher in Rome
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Big wave to Xie Lin! I haven't been here for a while!
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In no particular order, I need some help/suggestions/advice/etc. about Rome
- I have Italian citizenship, so work here is not a problem. But is it okay to work for more than one company (especially if both offer part time work)?
- I've tried casa.it to find accommodations. However my Italian reading skills are limited. Is there a website that offers information in English?
- is there a magic formula to find private students? I specialize in IELTS/TOEFL/GRE/GMAT
- also an honest price range to charge. I don't want to rape them, but I also expect to earn a good rate for what I give
- is there a "foreign teachers'" hangout or a place where expects congregate? Where I used to live, we were a small group so we hung out together often (strength in numbers)
- where can I find a cheap English newspaper |
1. Unless your contract specifies it, there should be no problem you working for more than one employer. But if they try and make you go the Partita Iva route (which they probably will) you'll need all sorts of documentation. Codice Fiscale (everyone needs this and it's easy to get from tax office), Residency (takes a while, especially in Rome, so beware of agreeing to P Iva and then having your wages delayed...), a Partita Iva number (get yourself an accountant for this if your Italian isn't 100%) and be prepared for the taxes. If they take you on as a salaried employee, you'll have a contract, but watch out for how much you can earn under the terms of that contract. Schools will definitely be more up on that than me, but a contract position may mean that you can't work for anyone else - which is why they might want you to go freelance with a P Iva...
2. Other than Wanted In Rome, you can also find notices of rooms to rent round and about. There used to be some up in Feltrinelli (Repubblica) but it's also worth asking anyone else you know. I got my first place through a short letting agency - well worth the extra money, as I had a place for the first month. Time to look around, get acquainted with areas, and so on. Some estate agents can also fix you up with short term lets - not a bad idea if you aren't sure how long you want to stay.
3. In all my time in Italy, I've never come across anyone wanting lessons for GRE or GMAT. One or two students wanting TOEFL and a handful wanting IELTS for uni entrance. I'd imagine your best bet is at the universities, where students might want to do exchange programs - or at the British Council, which is one of the Cambridge English testing centres. (Or Google more centres for these exams.) Cambridge exams are popular in my area of Italy (I'm no longer in Rome) so you might want to contact centre managers for training / teaching.
4. Not sure what the current price is in Rome. I doubt very much that an English school is going to negotiate a rate with you - you're more likely to be told what they will pay you (and it may well be different if you have P Iva). There might be some give and take, but don't hold out for riches!! Unless you're talking about private tuition, which is obviously going to be a higher rate than what schools will pay you.
5. I don't know about foreign teachers hangouts! I used to socialise a bit with my colleagues (Italian / expat) or my Italian neighbours, but all this was organic rather than me making a beeline for bars / clubs, etc. There are associations though and you can meet expats and foreigners at club events, etc. Try the foreign bookshops (one in Trastevere as well as the one on Via delle Vite, look up in Rome blogs. It's a big city, lots going on, people coming and going etc - you're bound to find something.
6. Some paper stalls have foreign papers. Try the one just outside Galeria Sordi (bottom of Via del Corso). I always read mine online, as they often get to Rome a day late.
Hope that helps - good luck! |
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Day Dreamer
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| Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'll need to get more info regarding the "Partita Iva" I already have my "Codice Fiscale", that was incredibly easy. It took 10 minutes to wait and 5 minutes to do. The guy was so helpful, he demanded we speak in English so that he could practice. So I responded in Italian
As for the higher testing systems, I have spoken to a few places and they all said they need a teacher for these, it's not a full time thing. I never became an official examiner, it wasn't worth it when I was in China. I made far more money doing private lessons than what the British Council paid. Plus all the travel, etc. it wasn't worth it. The British Council here said at the moment, that are not taking any new recruits
So far everyone has quoted €15 per hour
I've found day old newspapers. I can read almost any journal online, but I like having real newsprint while I'm on the bus
Thanks for all the info |
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Teacher in Rome
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| So far everyone has quoted €15 per hour |
Net, I hope! If gross ("lordo") you'll be making less than €10 an hour. Make sure you're both clear about netto vs lordo. If you're on a P Iva arrangement, the lordo amount has to include 22% IVA (sales tax) and 20% ritenuto d'acconto (ie tax). Then when you come to do your annual accounts, you'll have to pay a further 25% "contributo INPS" on the "services rendered" on your invoice (though if you've already paid a lot of tax, the tax already paid gets transferred into your inps bill instead) plus other regional taxes of around 5%. In theory, you also have to pay a forward tax and forward INPS based on your year's earnings, although you can opt out of that and wait for them to send you the tax demands - with a late fine.
I'm sure you can do the Maths, but say you wanted to invoice for 10 hours at 15 euros gross an hour. The total amount you'd "earned" gross would be 150 euros. But that amount also includes 22% IVA (or 27.05) making your invoice for "services rendered" 122.95. You then deduct 20% from that for rit d'acc (24.59) giving you a total of 125.41 that the school pays. (150 - 24.59) But you'll need to pay your IVA quarterly, so you'll lose the 27.05 you collected from your employer, bringing you down to just under 100 euros - making your effective hourly rate at less than 10 euros an hour. (Then you still have 25% INPS contributions, etc to pay, in theory making it more like 7.5 euros an hour...)
If the 15 euros they quote is "netto" it's what you get in your pocket, but it's rare to quote netto for P Iva arrangements.
One option is to find out whether you need to include IVA at all. If you're offering teaching services to a state institution (ie teaching students in a state school), you have to include it. If you're offering professional services to state institutions (ie offering professional teacher training), you don't. If you're invoicing other businesses (ie language schools) you do. This is one of the many reasons that you need an accountant when you have P Iva - the rules are super complicated. Oh - and if you have an income abroad, you have to also declare it in Italy - even if your home country has a double tax agreement.
My basic understanding of it (and I'm a teacher, not an accountant!) is that P Iva makes sense if you're invoicing a lot - and at high amounts - and if you then are invoiced a lot (so paying IVA of your own). P Iva is useful if you're running a business and can offset bills against tax. (Accountancy bills, utilities if you work from home, car bills, etc.) In my opinion, it doesn't make sense if you're working a few hours here, a few hours there for a couple of language schools who pay rock-bottom rates. Financially it would make more sense to get a couple of fixed part-time contracts (if you can) where you get paid net, with no IVA to worry about. (Then you don't have to get involved with an accountant at least.) Then maybe see if there's more casual work around to make up the shortfall. |
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Day Dreamer
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| Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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One thing at a time:
First, they said they don't need me to get a P Iva. Even though i'll be hourly (my request) I'll be paid €15 / hour net. That includes teaching, office hours, observations, recess monitoring, etc., basically anything to do with school.
BTW Teacher in Rome, that's a lot of good info you provided and well explained. Every country has their own idiosyncrasies and it's up to us to find out the rules of how to play in their sandbox |
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