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theoriginalprankster
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:17 am Post subject: |
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It is NOT a good job. It is a soul crushing, mind numbing waste of your life.
The happiest day I have had in many was hanging up that badge and saying 'thank god I don't do this crud job anymore'. |
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bograt
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| it's the BC and they LOVE the DELTA, for obvious reasons |
What obvious reasons are those? |
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Elicit
Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 244
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| it's the BC and they LOVE the DELTA, for obvious reasons |
What obvious reasons are those? |
It enables them to have a reasonable idea of the quality of teacher they're letting loose in their classrooms. Trinity Dip excluded, very few other advanced qualifications allow them to do that from a practice perspective,
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It is NOT a good job. It is a soul crushing, mind numbing waste of your life.
The happiest day I have had in many was hanging up that badge and saying 'thank god I don't do this crud job anymore'.
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No arguments here, but different horses for different courses. Although, I am quite sure those who are still examining would be toasting your badge-hanging with an expensive import bought with their 28k a month. |
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theoriginalprankster
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| No arguments here, but different horses for different courses. Although, I am quite sure those who are still examining would be toasting your badge-hanging with an expensive import bought with their 28k a month. |
My friend who still does it says he topping out at 24k, and that's when he puts in maximum hours.
Quite happy with my 20k tax free job, where I am actually upskilling.
Examining is for mindless drones, much like the candidates. |
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shawadywady
Joined: 13 Mar 2013 Posts: 40
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| Examining is for mindless drones, much like the candidates |
i like it - examiners (including me in the past) love moaning about candidates but maybe they deserve eachother!
anyway, my advice to SB_Frank is don't limit yourself applying to only one out of the four BC centers in China, if you can be flexible then try BJ, SH, GZ & CQ (if you haven't already). staffing levels & candidate demand can vary.
talk of teaching for the BC muddies the waters on this thread a bit - the BC does not teach English in China. i think this lead someone to talk about a DELTA which true, if you want to teach for the BC elsewhere in the world they would love but it's irrelevant for examiner positions - you would be hugely over-qualified & what would be the point in developing your teaching skills to such an extent & then forget it all doing an uncreative, repetitive & boring job.
having said those negative things, plenty are happy with the money & a job they don't take home with them - i can certainly see the attraction |
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Elicit
Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 244
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Quite happy with my 20k tax free job, where I am actually upskilling.
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Shame there isn't one of these for everybody.
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you would be hugely over-qualified
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If it were the usual P/T gig anywhere else in the world, I'd somewhat agree. However, as it's a full-time BC position and other PD or diversifying opportunities are potentially present, it certainly appears that they have a sea of potential 'drones'.
I'd say you're now needing something to stand-out from the crowd be that what it may. I have crossed paths with 7 recently recruited examiners of which 3 have MAs, 2 have DELTAs, 1 has both and the last one was just lucky or unlucky dependant on your persuasion. Would be interesting to hear from anyone who receives an offer to see what they're 'packing'. |
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Volver
Joined: 27 Sep 2013 Posts: 181
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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OP,
If you are the type of person who longs for a job examining with the BC, then you have both my admiration and my sympathy. Of course, you simply could be ignorant of the realities of working for them or how much money you actually net. Run the numbers at ¥24 gross (which is in the ballpark from what I understand from friends who are examiners) and see how much you actually net. It is not that much when you factor in taxes, no flight, limited holidays, and (gasp) housing costs. It gets even worse when you add in your travel time and calculate what you make on an hourly rate. Having done it too many times, there is NOTHING in this world that would ever induce me to travel on a Chinese airline again.
As for making ¥20K tax free salary as another poster mentioned, that's no big deal. When I first started here working at a uni in a dump of city in Henan, I never dreamed I'd make decent money without IELTS. How very wrong I was. ¥20K tax free plus flight, housing, visa, etc. without having to work anywhere near as hard as you would for the BC is just not difficult to achieve. Be smart, listen to the good advice on this site, hustle, negotiate, and you will do it.
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Strike_Back_Frank
Joined: 17 Dec 2015 Posts: 4
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| i think this lead someone to talk about a DELTA which true, if you want to teach for the BC elsewhere in the world they would love but it's irrelevant for examiner positions - you would be hugely over-qualified & what would be the point in developing your teaching skills to such an extent & then forget it all doing an uncreative, repetitive & boring job. |
Perhaps having a DELTA would seem overqualified some years ago, but according to @Elicit's comment
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| I'd say you're now needing something to stand-out from the crowd be that what it may. I have crossed paths with 7 recently recruited examiners of which 3 have MAs, 2 have DELTAs, 1 has both and the last one was just lucky or unlucky dependant on your persuasion. |
I was not accepted despite having the minimum requirements (not to mention that I rarely ever encounter FT's with CELTA certs). So I'd have to agree with Elicit unless someone else can provide some other recent evidence.
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| Would be interesting to hear from anyone who receives an offer to see what they're 'packing'. |
I'd like to see what kind of candidates were shortlisted -- imo candidates with previous examining experience and perhaps 5-10 years teaching experience. |
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shawadywady
Joined: 13 Mar 2013 Posts: 40
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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i'd stand by my statement that a DELTA over-qualifies you for IELTS work but if the BC can afford to cherry pick candidates then of course the more qualified you are the better.
i can see how someone awarded a DELTA some time ago and who is a bit tired of teaching may choose to take their foot of the pedal for a bit and do IELTS but if you were to go through the rigors of the DELTA process only to immediately become an examiner.....well i think that would be a backwards step.
just my opinion though. |
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Elicit
Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 244
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:01 am Post subject: |
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i can see how someone awarded a DELTA some time ago and who is a bit tired of teaching may choose to take their foot of the pedal for a bit
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Certainly fits. Average age of the few I've met is around 45 with very few exceptions. |
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airapets
Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Posts: 78 Location: The Middle Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:14 am Post subject: If they say they are looking for 30 examiners |
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| The ad said they wanted thirty examiners. I was told each interview will last about forty minutes and they are doing it for two weeks(last week and this week). How many total interviews could they reasonably do in that period of time? At what point would they get tired of doing interviews? I'd think no more than five a day, but that would make only fifty interviews for thirty positions. Is it that the interview is more just a confirmation of the application rather than a real hurdle? |
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China2
Joined: 04 Jun 2015 Posts: 56
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:10 am Post subject: |
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| I was just wondering how long it will be before they need to take on part time IELTS examiner again. I was told that apparently there were over 1 million IELTS candidates last year in China! |
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Shanghai Noon
Joined: 18 Aug 2013 Posts: 589 Location: Shanghai, China
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| I doubt if that's the total number of candidates. Some of my students take it five times. It still requires a lot of examiners though. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| I was just wondering how long it will be before they need to take on part time IELTS examiner again. I was told that apparently there were over 1 million IELTS candidates last year in China! |
Is there a suggestion that BC will abandon fulltimer model?
'Attempts' is probably a better word than 'candidates'. |
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Volver
Joined: 27 Sep 2013 Posts: 181
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Talking about the part-time examiner model coming back is a favorite pastime of most everyone currently or previously involved with the BC. Don't count on it. It looks like the decision is not theirs to make and they have to muddle through. Funny thing is that it makes sense. Some part-timers had been doing examining and marking for many years and were both good and quite happy to continue that way. Every single part-timer I know who went full-time had a specific period of time in mind for how long they wanted to continue with the BC. Of course, they never told them this. It would be great if part-timers could come back, I'd sign up in a heartbeat, but don't plan to waste my life waiting for such an event.
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