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mitsui



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:56 pm    Post subject: Dumb (or Lazy) Teachers Reply with quote

This is a rant:

A) JTEs who refuse to speak English in the class where students should speak English. It sets a bad example.

B) NETs who claim to teach but never learned to spell. It is obvious when said teachers make worksheets but never bother to edit or maybe they think that the words are all correctly spelled.
Here are a couple
1) english
2) The past tense of fight. No, it isn't fought. It is faught, didn't you know.

I tend to wonder if said teachers even went to university. Maybe so, but teachers should at least use a dictionary.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:20 am    Post subject: Re: Dumb (or Lazy) Teachers Reply with quote

mitsui wrote:
I tend to wonder if said teachers even went to university. Maybe so, but teachers should at least use a dictionary.

Frankly, those hiring these "teachers" need to be better at vetting applicants.
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Lamarr



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience, schools in Japan are more interested in hiring someone who's a smiley, genki, functioning gimp that doesn't ruffle any feathers. If they can get an applicant that also cares about the English language, then that's a nice little bonus on top, but they don't usually require that (they'd probably struggle to get enough quality instructors in it for the long haul anyway).

These eikaiwa and ALT jobs generally are happy enough as long as their instructors/ALTs can spit out something that at least vaguely resembles English. That's all they require linguistically. The people on the receiving end of the language "instruction" probably don't know any better anyway. That and the continuing demand for English is why language teaching in Japan is so suited to criminal scammers and exploitative English "schools".
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree but I work at a private secondary school.
I really wonder if anyone cares about teaching or if it is just crowd control,
at a lower ranked school where the majority do not study or do homework.
Just a BA is good enough here plus pay is going to be cut.

Seems that they prefer someone who is known to someone who is competent.

It does seem the teachers started in eikaiwa and just continued their way of teaching into this job.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i work next to competent people who have sound pedagogy and good rapport with their kids, but there are two JTEs who are "English teacher impersonators". One of them sounds fluent in English at first meeting, but after a bit, it becomes apparent that this impersonator cannot comprehend basic English from the textbook, the purpose of the program, or identify the target language or teachable content of a textbook page. You can't have a conversation with this person, who is a random verbal generator.

The other has not yet mastered the syllabus of the junior high English course. Email and spoken communication is nearly gibberish.
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foreign teachers are kept on a short leash but JTE can get away with stuff I can't.

I can't stand the arrogance of those teachers who are less competent but engage in gossip, office politics and stiiring up stuff.
The dumber the person, the less humble they are.
I really have to think dumb gaijin have it easier because they aren't threatening.

Team teaching at this school can be such a waste of time.
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Shonai Ben



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

faught?

Never saw this before.I just checked 4 dictionaries.They all say fought is the past tense of fight.
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is what one teacher put on the worksheet.
He teaches the past tense, so he should learn to spell.
I know it is fought but he does not.
He insists that a worksheet or handout is a print.
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Shonai Ben



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mitsui wrote:
That is what one teacher put on the worksheet.
He teaches the past tense, so he should learn to spell.
I know it is fought but he does not.
He insists that a worksheet or handout is a print.


.....amazing stuff.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankly, it's unfair to label others as "dumb" or "lazy" based on their fluency and proficiency in a foreign language. Second language acquisition/usage is not simplistic nor associated with high intelligence.
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Shakey



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mitsui wrote:
That is what one teacher put on the worksheet.
He teaches the past tense, so he should learn to spell.
I know it is fought but he does not.
He insists that a worksheet or handout is a print.


That son of a bitch.

I can have a few guys from my crew come over and teach him a lesson if you like. Or, you might want to take care of business yourself, which, in that case, I respectfully understand.

About 6 or 7 years ago, I had a beef with a guy from Detroit who claimed to have a TEFL certificate. He kept confusing the spelling of -ible/able and messing up with plural forms. He was a real piece of work. You know, a typical wise guy who thought he knew everything about grammar and spelling. I told him that the outfit would not tolerate anymore of that kind of abuse of the English language. I warned him that if he did it again, that he just might get clipped.

Anyways, one day, I went into his classroom to grab a whiteboard marker, and I saw that he had used the preposition "to" as in "to much" instead of "too." So, after work, I had a couple of my associates, Present Perfect Pete and Copula Charlie, come over and we had a "little chat" with this wise guy. Real off the books like.

Well, let's just say that he never forgot to put 'i' before 'e', except after 'c' again.

Capiche?
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RustyShackleford



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
Frankly, it's unfair to label others as "dumb" or "lazy" based on their fluency and proficiency in a foreign language. Second language acquisition/usage is not simplistic nor associated with high intelligence.


True> However, as far as I know, you have not worked in Japan.

There are a lot of issues in Japan with non-native teachers. I was actually shocked when I went to Vietnam, Spain and now Saudi Arabia that almost all the non-native teachers could/can hold a reasonably fluent and nuanced conversation in English without overly grading the language! Often, in Japan, I would more often than not confirm things out in Japanese because I difficulty understanding what they wanted in English!
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Often, in Japan, I would more often than not confirm things out in Japanese because I difficulty understanding what they wanted in English!


I've worked with many Japanese teachers who are fully bilingual and who hold advanced degrees in linguistics, and others who bootstrapped their way, learning from audio and books while learning teaching from their colleagues.

However, I've met many in my time here who know next to nothing about teaching, and some who haven't mastered the language in the junior high curriculum. They do a lot of damage to their students' language learning by teaching English like it's Latin.
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Nemu_Yoake



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's because the recruitment exam to become a teacher is a joke (the English part), even in prefectures with a lot of competition. I took (and passed) it so I know. They should raise the level if they want better teachers.
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fluffyhamster



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Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Problem is, more often that not even the teachers with pretty good English stick to the book and do the bare minimum. Very few are pedagogical firebrands, or even heated coals. Or maybe I've just been working in the wrong sort of (public) schools?
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