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Lord T



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:30 pm    Post subject: Problem Solving Reply with quote

You are an ESL teacher at a technical college. All subject courses are taught in English, using teaching materials suitable for students with C1-C2 levels of spoken/written English (CEFR).

You are given a class of new students to teach for 12 hours a week. Their level of English is A1 (near beginners).

The subject teachers refuse to simplify the English that they use in the classroom.

You are required to find a way to help your new students improve from A1 to C1 in 12 weeks.

What would you do?
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been there - tried to explain to the subject teachers how it would be impossible to raise students to the level required by their materials (which were photocopies of university-level textbooks) in the time allowed for teaching them English.

It did no good, of course, because that would have meant that instead of photocopying (i.e. pirating) textbooks, they'd actually have to work and create appropriate material.

Hope you have better luck.

Regards,
John
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fall on floor... laughing hysterically... (OK... maybe not... but I too have been there)

Once I caught my breath I would suggest that based on my 15 years of teaching Arabic speakers, this will take one to two... years.

VS
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grahamb



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:48 pm    Post subject: Fast learners Reply with quote

A1 to C1 in 12 weeks? You might as well send a fat cheque to Jim Bakker. Laughing
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bigdurianthesecond



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just do the best you can, don't blame yourself, it's the system, not you.

I worked in an 'international' school before. Everything was supposed to adhere to the American CCSS, and on paper, in a poor way it did.

But there was no way the students were capable of operating at that level.

It's all just for show.

And ultimately it doesn't make any difference what you do. The family name and nepotism does more for their future careers than your teaching.

Just take the paycheck.

There's an old saying in Thailand: don ting too mutt.....
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plumpy nut



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would this be in Khamis Mushait, King Khalid University?
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Father of student with level Zero to us at ELS (where I was moonlighting) -

"He can do TOEFL after one month ? We go America soon."
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Gulezar



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:28 am    Post subject: Re: Problem Solving Reply with quote

Lord T wrote:
What would you do?


I would get a reliable bank of public IELTS exams or any other English proficiency exam. I would do the writing, reading and listening parts with the students. This would be a benchmark. I would give the students another exam from the same bank in 12 weeks. I would create a graph showing data from the students scores: where they started, where they are and what the expected progress for 12 weeks is. Back it all up with footnotes. If you don't feel comfortable rating the writing, just show some before and after papers.

I would use IELTS as that has a bang on conversion to CEFR, lots of example exams and it is still paper-based. Also, explain the concept of A1, A2, B1 and so forth to these teachers.

The only things those teachers listen to are numbers. You need to cover your ass.
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desertfox



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:15 am    Post subject: Problem Solving Reply with quote

A thought provoking and considered exchange of views. Quite refreshing!

Gulezar - My instinct is that IELTS would be a too difficult place to begin to benchmark any assessment as Lord T indicated the students were (near) beginners.
I don´t however claim a monopoly of knowledge on these matters.

The comments made by bigdurianthesecond reflect more closely my own experience. It is not uncommon to be set unrealistic goals, it is indeed ¨the system¨´, and not you as a teacher who is at fault.

The crude but widely used phrase "cover your arse" comes to mind. At the end of the day you do what you can - in the knowledge that you are often operating with one hand tied behind your back.

There are so many variables to take into consideration, especially teaching in different parts of the world, not least in the Middle East.

Teaching and learning is essentially a human activity. People learn in different ways and at different paces, and depends very much on cultural (and other) factors way beyond any teacher´s control.

Your teaching, if it is to be at all effective, will need to reflect that. It is often difficult to squeeze all that into an arbitary time frame.

It is very much the art of the possible. I believe there are many factors that contribute to unrealistic goals being set.

Not least because we operate in a market orientated
situation, and managements often seek to satisfy a client´s aspiration over and above that which can be realistically achieved within certain period of time.

It´s not the only reason, but it is a significant factor.
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MixtecaMike



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Problem Solving Reply with quote

Lord T wrote:

The subject teachers refuse to simplify the English that they use in the classroom.

Some of the subject teachers at XXX spoke worse English than the good students, whom we evaluated as B1 level. It's fun (or frustrating) to always hear that "The ELC is not teaching good the English, my dears." To keep the costs of foreign devil teachers down they might have been better off teaching Urdu as a Foreign language.
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Gulezar



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:24 am    Post subject: Re: Problem Solving Reply with quote

desertfox wrote:
Gulezar - My instinct is that IELTS would be a too difficult place to begin to benchmark any assessment as Lord T indicated the students were (near) beginners.
I don´t however claim a monopoly of knowledge on these matters.


I'm no expert either. I've heard that the IELTS is not quite as accurate in the A1 range as it is in B1 range. However, practice exams from the same bank should be fairly well calibrated and one should be able to grab a pre and post practice exam of similar difficulty. One would hope that progress of some nature could be demonstrated and that it would be better than predicted, rather than what is demanded.
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In the heat of the moment



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the age range in a technical college? Have these students been through the schooling system and come out of it with A1 level English and, presumably, similar levels in other subjects? If so I'd think it somewhat ambitious to aim for C1-C2 levels of spoken/written English in 12 weeks.

I'd also be prepared to be teaching them for longer than that, if the subject teachers have any say in the matter. Wink
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Lord T



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lord T



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Allahtellya1



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:31 pm    Post subject: your wait has ended. Reply with quote

Since the focus of said technical school is to get them to the point of writing a Thesis and presenting said thesis in English, it might be of use to follow the curriculum set forth. there have been zero completely illiterate students at this school so you wont be teaching them the alphabet. they can write simple sentences generally speaking although some very badly. scaffolding the higher level students with lower level students and focusing on group work is a start.

Next, focus on simple, to compound to complex sentence buildup using in general an inductive approach to grammar.

Get an early start on paraphrasing starting with synonyms which you drive into them with every reading possible and introduce them to the thesaurus.

once you have done adequate exercises in complex sentences work towards the hamburger paragraph. exercises in reading using the jigsaw method is quite useful for slow readers.

once they have read their paragraphs take away the paragraphs and have them work on paragraph paraphrasing. I utilize a step by step powerpoint I devised.

Writing and reading from sentence to paragraph is repetitive and as we read in class we paraphrase by synonyms, grammar changes, change of voice to total structure.

The teacher needs to be patient but driven, willing to put in extra time. I also suggest using a formative assessment system with homework where students upload assignments to google drive on an eportfolio where they can constantly submit assignments for review by the instructor who gives them pointers on how to improve.

Expect copying and pasting in the beginning, but if you repeat the rules for paraphrasing and practice in class, they eventually overcome sloth and get work done especially if their grades are low to begin with.

Will you get to you goal of C1 and the end of 1 trimester? not likely, however, if all the teachers are following such a model it can happen eventually. we have to start with a good single paragraph. again and again and again.

the large joint classes are utilized for speaking and presenting skills as well as review of paraphrasing and writing techniques.

Key to all of this is of course, a positive attitude and a will to try your best , afterall, some people actually enjoy teaching!

Very Happy
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