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reblair79
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 Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 6:08 pm Post subject: Hanoi - expected monthly salary? |
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Continuing from some information I have been gathering so far:
As a newbie with no experience, I have pretty much decided that I will apply for the CELTA with Apollo in Hanoi. After this, can you tell me what salary I should be looking for? I don't want to be taken advantage of with low salaries etc.
Also, What is the average teaching hours that most people do? This may sound silly but 20 teaching hours is a number I see a lot, but how many additional hours are there to add to that? e.g. lesson planning
And does this lesson planning get done in the place of work or your apartment?
Remember, I am new and haven't a clue!... yet. |
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Mattingly
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Hanoi - expected monthly salary? |
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| reblair79 wrote: |
Continuing from some information I have been gathering so far:
As a newbie with no experience, I have pretty much decided that I will apply for the CELTA with Apollo in Hanoi. After this, can you tell me what salary I should be looking for? I don't want to be taken advantage of with low salaries etc.
Also, What is the average teaching hours that most people do? This may sound silly but 20 teaching hours is a number I see a lot, but how many additional hours are there to add to that? e.g. lesson planning
And does this lesson planning get done in the place of work or your apartment?
Remember, I am new and haven't a clue!... yet. |
Expected salary per month?
That all depends.
IMO, while, and shortly after doing your CELTA, ask people in town. Ask the teachers with their boots on the ground.
After many years in Saigon and Hanoi, here is my humble opinion:
I would avoid Apollo or only teach their for a short time to cut your teeth.
Apollo in Hanoi has a reputation for hiring newbies or experienced teachers from overseas, and sign them to "contracts" which are below market value.
Also note, that Ms. Thu at the Pho Hue office will trim your paycheck. She's not honest.
Public schools are now common for teaching work. You can teach 45-50 students in a large class with bad acoustics and a high ceiling fan while it's 40 degrees celsius outside.
Young learner programs are common as usual.
Welcome and good luck. |
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1st Sgt Welsh
Joined: 13 Dec 2010
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Location: Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Hanoi - expected monthly salary? |
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Firstly, in regards to Mattingly's comments about Apollo, I wouldn't have a clue. When I was in Hanoi, I never heard or saw anything that would lead me to believe that they were any better or worse than any of the other big 'language chains'. However, I never worked there and it's been ages since I've been in Hanoi.....
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As a newbie with no experience, I have pretty much decided that I will apply for the CELTA with Apollo in Hanoi. After this, can you tell me what salary I should be looking for? I don't want to be taken advantage of with low salaries etc. |
Depends on the contract. Do you get paid holidays, subsidized health insurance, paid sick days....? This all adds up. Anyway, anywhere between 17USD to 20 USD per teaching hour is in the ball park for a newbie fresh off the CELTA.
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Also, What is the average teaching hours that most people do? This may sound silly but 20 teaching hours is a number I see a lot, but how many additional hours are there to add to that? e.g. lesson planning |
Twenty teaching hours is considered a full-time job, especially when you first start. I'd advise you to keep and store your lesson plans, record your supplements etc. and be up-to-date when it comes to making appropriate changes and alterations. After you've tried a lesson in the classroom, you should definitely know what works and what doesn't. Also keep your own personal copies of text books (with your notes in them) in case you ever have to teach the same unit again. If you are organized and, after you have taught the unit a few times, lesson planning should become a breeze.
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And does this lesson planning get done in the place of work or your apartment? |
After I'd been with the school for a while, I usually planned from home when I was at ACET, but, this may vary with the school. |
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Mattingly
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: Hanoi - expected monthly salary? |
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| 1st Sgt Welsh wrote: |
| Firstly, in regards to Mattingly's comments about Apollo, I wouldn't have a clue. When I was in Hanoi, I never heard or saw anything that would lead me to believe that they were any better or worse than any of the other big 'language chains'. However, I never worked there and it's been ages since I've been in Hanoi..... |
Welsh,
You don't have a clue, and I'm being respectful.
I'm in Hanoi now.
I never worked there but I did programs that were "coordinated" with Apollo.
They are owned by an insurance company with bean counters, and are low paying and their 20-something managers cheat cheaters when they can. |
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TRH
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Location: Hawaii
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Twenty hours a week may not seem like much but it is strict "face time." In the public schools it will not even include the five minutes passing between classes or recess. To have twenty hours at language centers only, without public school time, one would need to be doing three kid classes on weekends and one adult class four nights a week. (That's "at weekends" for you Brits. )
For comparison, the average actual instructional time for a public school teacher in the US is about 5 hours a day or 25 hours most weeks (900 hours/180 days.) A local teacher once told me that she was doing 24 periods and that this was a heavy load (24*55min=22hours.) Their normal load is 20 periods. Of course compensations differ widely but the workload is similar.
My own experience was that my center would always want me to take on more than 20 hours but I resisted because I felt that the quality of my work suffered if I did more. I am also perhaps a little strange in that I enjoyed working with middle school ages in public schools but lucky that the school I worked at was reputedly the second best in the district. Other schools were a lot tougher. |
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1st Sgt Welsh
Joined: 13 Dec 2010
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Location: Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Hanoi - expected monthly salary? |
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| Mattingly wrote: |
| 1st Sgt Welsh wrote: |
| Firstly, in regards to Mattingly's comments about Apollo, I wouldn't have a clue. When I was in Hanoi, I never heard or saw anything that would lead me to believe that they were any better or worse than any of the other big 'language chains'. However, I never worked there and it's been ages since I've been in Hanoi..... |
Welsh,
You don't have a clue, and I'm being respectful.
I'm in Hanoi now.
I never worked there but I did programs that were "coordinated" with Apollo.
They are owned by an insurance company with bean counters, and are low paying and their 20-something managers cheat cheaters when they can. |
I am out of touch with what's happening in Hanoi and that's why I ended the first sentence of the paragraph in the way I did. I also added the final sentence for good measure. In the middle, I like to think I was pretty neutral and I made it clear that my info was out-of-date.
While I don't doubt your sincerity and I respect the fact that you are 'on the ground' in Hanoi, one negative post, from one forum member, who doesn't work at the school in question, is exactly that. If the OP had said he was looking at Language Link instead, (the only other CELTA training center in Hanoi, (at least that was the case when I was there)) then there would also be plenty of people in Hanoi who would say that sucked as well. I've read 'horror stories' on Dave's about schools, from people who supposedly worked there, I took a job with them and it turned out great! However, a different person may have hated it. Also, given how quiet this board has been, I'm not sure we are going to hear much in the way of diverse opinions on the subject. Like I said, I don't doubt your sincerity, or well-meaning intentions, but, I'd bet there are a variety of opinions on this out there and, chances are, we are not going to hear many of them here.
In any event, the CELTA is the CELTA no matter where you go and reblair will have a month to suss out the scene. He doesn't have to take a job with Apollo just because they have offered it to him (assuming that there are even jobs to be offered and they even offer him one). If he wants to do the CELTA via Apollo then decides he doesn't like the vibe, he can just take his certificate and look elsewhere. Not the end of the world, IMHO. |
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Mattingly
Joined: 03 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:03 am Post subject: Re: Hanoi - expected monthly salary? |
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| 1st Sgt Welsh wrote: |
| Mattingly wrote: |
| 1st Sgt Welsh wrote: |
| Firstly, in regards to Mattingly's comments about Apollo, I wouldn't have a clue. When I was in Hanoi, I never heard or saw anything that would lead me to believe that they were any better or worse than any of the other big 'language chains'. However, I never worked there and it's been ages since I've been in Hanoi..... |
Welsh,
You don't have a clue, and I'm being respectful.
I'm in Hanoi now.
I never worked there but I did programs that were "coordinated" with Apollo.
They are owned by an insurance company with bean counters, and are low paying and their 20-something managers cheat cheaters when they can. |
I am out of touch with what's happening in Hanoi and that's why I ended the first sentence of the paragraph in the way I did. I also added the final sentence for good measure. In the middle, I like to think I was pretty neutral and I made it clear that my info was out-of-date. |
Yes, we agree and think the same way, IMO.
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While I don't doubt your sincerity and I respect the fact that you are 'on the ground' in Hanoi, one negative post, from one forum member, who doesn't work at the school in question, is exactly that. If the OP had said he was looking at Language Link instead, (the only other CELTA training center in Hanoi, (at least that was the case when I was there)) then there would also be plenty of people in Hanoi who would say that sucked as well. I've read 'horror stories' on Dave's about schools, from people who supposedly worked there, I took a job with them and it turned out great! However, a different person may have hated it. Also, given how quiet this board has been, I'm not sure we are going to hear much in the way of diverse opinions on the subject. Like I said, I don't doubt your sincerity, or well-meaning intentions, but, I'd bet there are a variety of opinions on this out there and, chances are, we are not going to hear many of them here.
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Seriously, I don't think teachers at Apollo will disagree with me on Apollo.
I have regular interaction with them.
As for Language Link, I interact with them also. I don't hear complaints from teachers there. They do get paid for the work they do.
As for the burgeoning Schools Link public school program, a lot of teachers don't do it long. Public school schools are suitable for some and not others.
It seems a lot of new arrivals and newbie teachers in the early and mid-20s are doing school link public school jobs. Fair enough.
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| In any event, the CELTA is the CELTA no matter where you go and reblair will have a month to suss out the scene. He doesn't have to take a job with Apollo just because they have offered it to him (assuming that there are even jobs to be offered and they even offer him one). If he wants to do the CELTA via Apollo then decides he doesn't like the vibe, he can just take his certificate and look elsewhere. Not the end of the world, IMHO. |
Yes, absolutely.
One is not tied to Apollo or LL just because they did the CELTA there. |
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