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English teachers optimistic amid the race to the bottom
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How competitive is it to get into these "better" positions?


From what I heard from interviewers at the Japanese consulate in Vancouver, Canada, it depends on the year and the location of the interview. Some consulates and embassies receive many times more applicants than they have places for. Some place every applicant they receive.
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RM1983 wrote:


So the teachers were better back in the day? I doubt that, it is far more common for a teacher to at least have the TESOL cert than it was ten years ago.

This is happening all over. It isn't just Japan. There are too many teachers these days, a lot of them very capable. The market is absolutely saturated. Whatever you do or specialise in, there is probably someone waiting to do your job who can do it just as well - and if they are hungry enough they would happily undercut you.


I hear you, I would say yes and no. People seem to have more qualifications nowadays. I think the qualifications part comes from people knowing they want to go to Japan early in college, and it not being a fall back. That also cuts the other way too, these people who want to come to Japan are definitely odd. The Otaku or whatever groups now def are full of weird people.

But as you said, it is a crowded space, and only getting more so.
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is hard to say.
I think there were more religious types in the past.

I don't know if people were greedier.

More people have a MA, so the job market has gotten more competitive but schools are pickier which forces people to have to make their resumes better.

It used to be that just a BA was enough to get a high school job but some places want teachers to be certified in their own country, as they are seen as more serious.

I do think that I knew nicer people in the past.
Conditions were better and some people would want to stay longer.
Maybe people are busier, having to hustle to make money, so they have less time.

There are more Americans than before 2009.
Maybe there are more transients, but that has always been the case.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rxk22 wrote:
RM1983 wrote:


So the teachers were better back in the day? I doubt that, it is far more common for a teacher to at least have the TESOL cert than it was ten years ago.

This is happening all over. It isn't just Japan. There are too many teachers these days, a lot of them very capable. The market is absolutely saturated. Whatever you do or specialise in, there is probably someone waiting to do your job who can do it just as well - and if they are hungry enough they would happily undercut you.


I hear you, I would say yes and no. People seem to have more qualifications nowadays. I think the qualifications part comes from people knowing they want to go to Japan early in college, and it not being a fall back. That also cuts the other way too, these people who want to come to Japan are definitely odd. The Otaku or whatever groups now def are full of weird people.

But as you said, it is a crowded space, and only getting more so.


What are you basing what you're saying on? I havent met anyone who I would consider an otaku, in four years of living here. Are you regularly meeting them?
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RM1983



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mitsui wrote:
It is hard to say.
I think there were more religious types in the past.

I don't know if people were greedier.

More people have a MA, so the job market has gotten more competitive but schools are pickier which forces people to have to make their resumes better.

It used to be that just a BA was enough to get a high school job but some places want teachers to be certified in their own country, as they are seen as more serious.

I do think that I knew nicer people in the past.
Conditions were better and some people would want to stay longer.
Maybe people are busier, having to hustle to make money, so they have less time.

There are more Americans than before 2009.
Maybe there are more transients, but that has always been the case.


Why do you write like this? It's just annoying to be honest and I don''t think it does you any favours.
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timothypfox



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RM1983, please stick to the issues instead of flapping around negatively trying to attack people's opinions based on their writing style or intentions to be honest. Quite honestly, most of us find your contributions to this conversation juvenile and inappropriate.
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steki47



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RM1983 wrote:
I havent met anyone who I would consider an otaku, in four years of living here.


My own experience as well. Most of the otaku sorts I have seen (on the net) DONT come to Japan. In fact they mostly stay in their home countries and rave about great Japan is.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do the interviews for my school. I am trying to be fair here, so please bear with me. Most of the guys are more or less normal. A lot have the "I am a gaijin, so I am so cool" deal going on. They usually weren't too bad. I did see quite a few Otaku in that mix. I would guess that it isn't too different from the states.
The girls that we interviewed. Most of them were Otaku. I am not trying to be cruel here, but a lot of them were easily 100 pounds overweight, and they probably had never put a comb through their hair.
I still have eikaiwa and ALT connections. THey tell me most of their new people are Otaku. I guess no one else would put up with the lack of pay/benefits?
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makes sense. Pay is less than in the past.
People would really want to be here, and could accept less pay.
Some people get sick of the low pay, and just don't renew their contract.

Maybe many of the otaku types just come as tourists.

I did hear from one Berlitz teacher, that he was told that the otaku types should keep it to themselves and not be obvious about it.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rxk22,

When you say otaku, you mean people who suffer monomania, or people who are disconnected from humanity, or both?

Are the people you interview freshly arrived, or are they already resident here?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't disparage otakus please, we don't need this. We may be a little (or really) weird, but we are very sensitive beings. Some of us are well integrated, some others are not. The big fat girls/guys have no confidence in themselves and that why they don't take care of their appearance. It's like an armor that would protect them from being hurt again and again. They say "You won't like me anyway, will you? See, I'm disgusting you with my looks." Some of them have a sort of abandonment neurosis and that's why they lock themselves up in an unreal world.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mitsui wrote:
Makes sense. Pay is less than in the past.
People would really want to be here, and could accept less pay.
Some people get sick of the low pay, and just don't renew their contract.

Maybe many of the otaku types just come as tourists.

I did hear from one Berlitz teacher, that he was told that the otaku types should keep it to themselves and not be obvious about it.

Screw it! Go to China, make some dough, tell the employers (academies, interact, etc) to bugger off.
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TokyoLiz wrote:
rxk22,

When you say otaku, you mean people who suffer monomania, or people who are disconnected from humanity, or both?

Are the people you interview freshly arrived, or are they already resident here?


Good question. I mean the people who are very nerdy, and are into anime. I mean, when you look at them, you can tell that they are into anime by just their appearance.
Most of them were newish to Japan. They had arrived from 1-3 years ago.

As for judging them. I would not want to hire someone, and trust them to teach children, if it was obvious that they can not take care of themselves.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rxk22, interesting how each generation of noobs in Japan are attracted by popular ideas about Japan. Many of my fellow martial artists, resident here, are in their 40s. They came over to study aikido, karate, classical martial arts.

Before us, there were Buddhist seekers, artists, business people.

My mother's husband, now in his 70s, worked for a Japanese manufacturing company in Kansai, when Japan's manufacturing and markets were just beginning to boom.

Japan's past economic drivers are moribund, and the best Japan can manage is promoting pop culture and tourism. The result is otaku in droves. What a weird world we live in.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TokyoLiz wrote:
Rxk22, interesting how each generation of noobs in Japan are attracted by popular ideas about Japan. Many of my fellow martial artists, resident here, are in their 40s. They came over to study aikido, karate, classical martial arts.

Before us, there were Buddhist seekers, artists, business people.

My mother's husband, now in his 70s, worked for a Japanese manufacturing company in Kansai, when Japan's manufacturing and markets were just beginning to boom.

Japan's past economic drivers are moribund, and the best Japan can manage is promoting pop culture and tourism. The result is otaku in droves. What a weird world we live in.


Agreed, it is interesting how and why people come here. It also seems like it has changed greatly over just the past 20 years.
I agree, that the type who would have come in the 80s would steer clear of Japan now. There just isn't the money, usually.
For MA, I came here in 2008 right after Pride FC died. I don't see as many MAists coming as there used to be. Maybe because the younger gen is smaller, and in general less interested in MAs, so that attracts less Gaijin?

As for the econ here, it def has flat lined. But with globalization, Japanese companies are doing great. They just happen to have a ton of jobs overseas. If it were like the 80s still, J-companies couldn't hire enough people here to do anything. I guess a good example is Toyota, they have made factories and what not plants all over the world, and Japan is no longer the car plant of the world.


One last thing, I have been following the news in the Philippines, the econ has been doing great there. If that continues, when will the supply of cheap Eng teachers run out? If wages in the Phil really increase, it will make coming here pointless. Which may help our wages in the somewhat distant future.
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