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mrpianoman
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But a BA degree from 'oxford university' and signed and stamped by a public notary in the UK who doesn't call up the university registrar COULD pass?
The FCO I believe just authenticate that the notary public is registered and authentic NOT that the degree is authentic. That's what I heard anyway. |
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Shanghai Noon
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
| So if I get my degree from Belford University authenticated by Belford, it will pass muster from the U.S. State Department and then the Chinese consulate? |
Hell no. That "university" won't get past the state Secretary of State's authentication level. It also wouldn't show up under any of the regional education accreditation bodies nor the Council for Higher Education Accreditation. |
That, and SAFEA does keep a blacklist of schools. Belford is probably on it. |
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LarssonCrew
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| Not right Piano man. After it is signed they sent to the FCO who WILL check the institituion and whether or not you did attend. |
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Badmojo
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Could this work? |
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| Shanghai Noon wrote: |
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I hear that in order to get a Z visa now, the visa has to be processed in the home country of the applicant.
Except I have zero interest in going home to do it.
Let's say I have all my documents for the work visa prepared. Could I go to Hong Kong for five or six days and mail my passport and forms back home and let someone drop it off and pick it up at the Embassy? And then mail it back to me when it's done? I then simply enter China with the new work visa and life is good again.
Is this a viable option? |
Where are you living now, and are you a legal resident of that country? |
I'm living in China now on a tourist visa. |
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mrpianoman
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 11:15 am Post subject: |
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I very much doubt the FCO have the time to email registrars throughout the UK to confirm degrees. That's what the notary public is for. It's the notary public who confirms the degree (I think). That's his job. Then the FCO confirms the notary public is a registered solicitor and puts the apostille on the certificate. Do you honestly think the FCO calls or emails about the hundreds of certificates they receive each day to the universities concerned? Why does Saudi embassy then require the registrar to email the Saudi cultural bureau to confirm the degree then because you have to get your degree legalised at the FCO as well. What's the point of two people confirming degrees then? I don't know for sure, but that's what I have hears, the FCO just acknowledge the notary public and the notary public authenticates the degree. So there;s a loop hole if the notary public doesn't call the university registrar to confirm the degree like some notary publics do.
I see someone is on a tourist visa and living in china. Do you earn a living teaching there at present? Why only a tourist visa? |
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Shanghai Noon
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 11:27 am Post subject: Re: Could this work? |
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| Badmojo wrote: |
| Shanghai Noon wrote: |
| Badmojo wrote: |
I hear that in order to get a Z visa now, the visa has to be processed in the home country of the applicant.
Except I have zero interest in going home to do it.
Let's say I have all my documents for the work visa prepared. Could I go to Hong Kong for five or six days and mail my passport and forms back home and let someone drop it off and pick it up at the Embassy? And then mail it back to me when it's done? I then simply enter China with the new work visa and life is good again.
Is this a viable option? |
Where are you living now, and are you a legal resident of that country? |
I'm living in China now on a tourist visa. |
Then you will very likely need to return home to apply for your Z visa. |
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Badmojo
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| mrpianoman wrote: |
I see someone is on a tourist visa and living in china. Do you earn a living teaching there at present? Why only a tourist visa? |
I have a tourist visa because I'm not working. |
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Badmojo
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Could this work? |
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| Shanghai Noon wrote: |
| Badmojo wrote: |
| Shanghai Noon wrote: |
| Badmojo wrote: |
I hear that in order to get a Z visa now, the visa has to be processed in the home country of the applicant.
Except I have zero interest in going home to do it.
Let's say I have all my documents for the work visa prepared. Could I go to Hong Kong for five or six days and mail my passport and forms back home and let someone drop it off and pick it up at the Embassy? And then mail it back to me when it's done? I then simply enter China with the new work visa and life is good again.
Is this a viable option? |
Where are you living now, and are you a legal resident of that country? |
I'm living in China now on a tourist visa. |
Then you will very likely need to return home to apply for your Z visa. |
Those are the rules and I am aware of that. However, I am just asking why I couldn't mail the passport home after leaving China and let someone drop it off and pick it up at the Embassy. Why would a plan like this go wrong? In previous years I've always returned home to process the visa, now I'm thinking outside the box a little. |
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mrpianoman
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| why not get a job in Korea instead then you can apply for the appropriate visa in HK. Or Taiwan maybe? |
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Shanghai Noon
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Could this work? |
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| Badmojo wrote: |
| Shanghai Noon wrote: |
| Badmojo wrote: |
| Shanghai Noon wrote: |
| Badmojo wrote: |
I hear that in order to get a Z visa now, the visa has to be processed in the home country of the applicant.
Except I have zero interest in going home to do it.
Let's say I have all my documents for the work visa prepared. Could I go to Hong Kong for five or six days and mail my passport and forms back home and let someone drop it off and pick it up at the Embassy? And then mail it back to me when it's done? I then simply enter China with the new work visa and life is good again.
Is this a viable option? |
Where are you living now, and are you a legal resident of that country? |
I'm living in China now on a tourist visa. |
Then you will very likely need to return home to apply for your Z visa. |
Those are the rules and I am aware of that. However, I am just asking why I couldn't mail the passport home after leaving China and let someone drop it off and pick it up at the Embassy. Why would a plan like this go wrong? In previous years I've always returned home to process the visa, now I'm thinking outside the box a little. |
That can work. Like you said, you will need to be outside of China at the time. You could hang out in Malaysia while you wait. They give most westerners 90 days visa free, which gives you plenty of time to get your visa. Thailand and Indonesia only give 30 days, which might not be enough. |
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teenoso
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Why would a plan like this go wrong? |
passport goes missing in the post;
some problem at the Embassy in London and they need more info;
you are asked by the police or others to show your passport while waiting in HK/Malaysia.
I personally wouldn't be happy being separated for 5 days from my passport while a tourist in a foreign country.. but I suppose it's doable.
Also 5 days in HK could turn into 10 and begin to get very expensive
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theoriginalprankster
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 4:34 am Post subject: |
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Quick note: when I was applying for a work permit to China I had a 10 minute interview with a consulate worker.
It was quick and simple, but I had to be there in person.
I have an "Alien Employment Permit", slightly different from regular teachers.
It cost a lot of money to get it, regardless of my nationality. |
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asiannationmc
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| "Alien Employment Permit", |
Many years ago ...I also had one. |
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Badmojo
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| theoriginalprankster wrote: |
Quick note: when I was applying for a work permit to China I had a 10 minute interview with a consulate worker.
It was quick and simple, but I had to be there in person.
I have an "Alien Employment Permit", slightly different from regular teachers.
It cost a lot of money to get it, regardless of my nationality. |
Doubt that would apply to me. With same day service they don't have time for such trivialities. |
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Badmojo
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Can someone walk me through the degree authentication/verification part of the procedure?
From the thread it seems that I need sort of stamp from the Chinese consulate. So what do they need to see to give the stamp? A degree that's been notarized from a lawyer or some public official who has the power to do so? Or do I need a document stating the degree has been verified from the university itself?
Thanks. |
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