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So much BS in the new visa app
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LarssonCrew



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:25 pm    Post subject: So much BS in the new visa app Reply with quote

I think I may have to just give up on China. I literally cannot do anything else to help with the visa process.

I was asked to provide a stamped[by Chinese consulate] copy of my degree, my CELTA, my medical record and also my non criminal records check.

I sent it all to the school who put the information in online using the online system to apply for the invitation letter.

Turns out it was accepted [yay!]

Next my new school had to go and hand in documents. Not so good this time.

Even though I've spent $600 on the medical check, $252 on getting my degree stamped by the consulate and confirmed by the Foreign Office, $90 on two medical checks [can only be 3 months old or less] and paid for a second copy of my diploma [another $50], I was rejected.

Apparently the stamp is not good because it only confirms the University signature is correct. The foreign office did not contact the university to confirm it is correct. At the moment the agency tell me there is nothing more that can be done, I have a Foreign Office stamp AND a Chinese consulate stamp that says 'certified'.

They also said I need the Criminal Records Check to contain a stamp from the place issuing it, but they do not offer this service.

The red tape may finally have me not bothering, even though to date it's set me back the best part of $1000. What a waste. They ask you to jump through a hoop then ask for another, I think I'll just go to another SEA country who will accept the docs I've got.
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adventious



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'll be...the system worked!
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rioux



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That seems like it is more work than what is required to teach in South Korea.
With the shortage of teachers in China I thought they would try to persuade people to be here not dissuade them.

If you decide not to teach in China (or even if you do) all the best with your next move.
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be clear, this is not coming from the government, but through an agent?
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LarssonCrew



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is coming from the body who issues the invitation letters to allow you to apply for the z visa
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rioux wrote:
That seems like it is more work than what is required to teach in South Korea.
With the shortage of teachers in China I thought they would try to persuade people to be here not dissuade them.

The authentication process is standard for some countries. It's lengthy but straight forward.

China's previous lax requirements resulted in teachers with questionable qualifications; this is a way to "clean house." Those who don't want to jump over so many hurdles for a job in China will look elsewhere, (And even that's no guarantee they'll avoid documentation speed bumps there as well.)
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LarssonCrew wrote:
It is coming from the body who issues the invitation letters to allow you to apply for the z visa


So you were in contact with them directly?
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7969



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adventious wrote:
Well, I'll be...the system worked!

Karma seems to be at work here.
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TrampledKlown



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:37 am    Post subject: Re: So much BS in the new visa app Reply with quote

[quote="LarssonCrew"]I think I may have to just give up on China. I literally cannot do anything else to help with the visa process.

You've just got it backwards.

Apply for citizenship in Pakistan or Russia.

Then you can come over and tell everyone you're a native speaker.


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twowheel



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D'oh! I'm going to go from a residence permit under a Z visa to an X visa for 2016-2017 and then hopefully back to a Z visa for 2017-2018. I hope I can do this relatively smoothly.

In the past here in the 'Jing I have been able to update a residence permit under an original Z visa in-country no problem. I am wondering if I can do the above all in-country, or...because I am transferring to a different kind of visa, if I'll have to go home and do it all over. Ah well.

twowheel
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LarssonCrew



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah. I've just been on the phone with the Embassy in London.

Fortunately I can apply for an R visa, for a special talent, because I have previously worked in International Law for an NGO. I'm not sure the school will be kosher with that and I have no idea if I will need a law firm or NGO in China to issue an invite[I guess I will]
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twowheel



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you apply for it, say it like a pirate...RRRRRRRRRRRR!

R visa? Interesting.

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Tazz



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of the problem as I see it is that the process is not 'standard' across the country. The government may now be trying to enforce the 'authentication' procedure, among others, but policy and procedure still varies from province to province. I've been looking at a return to China after a break of 10 years living/working there-back then it was a simple and straightforward process...now I'm hearing totally different rules of procedure to obtain the Z visa from just about every College or University I'm in communication with.
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creeper1



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you already have a residence permit the process of moving to another job is smooth sailing.

Those of us with RPs must consider the cost and red tape of coming back if we ever leave.

In other words, if you leave China don't take the decision lightly. You will pay a lot to return here (if your plans at home don't work out)
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LarssonCrew wrote:
It is coming from the body who issues the invitation letters to allow you to apply for the z visa


This sounds like the Ministry of Education or one of the Foreign Experts bodies. (It seems to change from province to province).

If this body is now an expert at authentication, etc., why was it so thoroughly incompetent ten years ago?

The body issuing the visa (your home country Chinese consulate) should be the body that has the last word, not some provincial chump.
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