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Black_Beer_Man
Joined: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 453 Location: Yokohama
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:48 am Post subject: Why Isn't there a Strong Vegetarian Culture in Japan? |
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Japan is one of the rare countries in the G8 that does not have a strong vegetarian culture.
I haven't even met a Japanese vegetarian or vegan. Restaurants that specialize in vegetarian cuisine are rare here.
The Japanese are known for importing great ideas from the West and improving and / or modifying them for their own use. Yet, this is one idea that they have not.
Your thoughts on this? |
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kpjf

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currentaffairs
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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Never had a problem in six years of living in Japan... Sometimes you had to be clear and there wasn't a lot of understanding about exactly what a vegetarian could eat. However, the macrobiotic movement was taking off in Tokyo while I was there, which originally was created by a Japanese doctor who served in the army.. It is based on the Buddhist temple food, shojin ryori. |
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timothypfox
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:05 am Post subject: |
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No, vegetarian food is very difficult to find at restaurants, but it is easy enough to cook it at home with many available ingredients.
My father is vegetarian and he wanted to stay at a fancy ryokan one night. My wife ordered a vegetarian dinner for him in advance (for him that allows fish and dairy) which went pretty well for most of the meal except for one dish. Mid-way through the meal one of the servers asked if bacon would be okay in the next dish.... |
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Black_Beer_Man
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:25 am Post subject: |
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What amazes me is that when I go into a convenience store to buy some kind of bento, my vegetarian options are severely limited. Almost nil.
I can buy a small salad packed in a big nasty disposable environmentally unfriendly plastic container. So, I usually leave with a cheese and ham sandwich.
I'm not vegetarian per say, but I try to eat vegetarian food when that option is available. |
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mitsui
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 1562 Location: Kawasaki
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:33 am Post subject: |
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There used to be but then in the Meiji era people imitated westerners and started eating meat.
I guess you should head to Kyoto.
You have to look around. Stuck with beans, tofu, eggs.
Have mabudofu and cha-han.
Have a vegetarian curry - add beans, potatoes and a carrot.
I like oyaki from Nagano.
From Miyagi there are a few kinds of burgers - from tofu, carrots, and fish. |
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kpjf

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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:35 am Post subject: |
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mitsui wrote: |
There used to be but then in the Meiji era people imitated westerners and started eating meat.
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As mentioned in my linked article:
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After the war, meat was expensive and vegetarian foods – rice and crops – were the only option. This was a time of black-market goods and small-scale famines. Food had paltry nutritional value.
But it was “vegetable based,” and so vegetarian meals may have become associated with poverty and starvation, whereas meat eaten by American soldiers made Americans (and America) healthy and strong.
That generation raised kids to believe that meat was essential to their health, and those two generations are now the majority of Japan’s population. One survey indicates that only .08 percent of Japanese natives are ideological vegetarians. |
Just a theory.
timothypfox wrote: |
No, vegetarian food is very difficult to find at restaurants, but it is easy enough to cook it at home with many available ingredients.
My father is vegetarian and he wanted to stay at a fancy ryokan one night. My wife ordered a vegetarian dinner for him in advance (for him that allows fish and dairy) which went pretty well for most of the meal except for one dish. Mid-way through the meal one of the servers asked if bacon would be okay in the next dish.... |
I'm not a vegetarian but I could understand how frustrating this could be. A vegetarian friend of mine in Spain encountered this kind of problem, in that some Spaniards couldn't seem to grasp the fact that ham comes from an animal "oh, it's just a bit of ham" they would say as if that makes it fine for a vegetarian to eat
Black_Beer_Man wrote: |
What amazes me is that when I go into a convenience store to buy some kind of bento, my vegetarian options are severely limited. Almost nil.
I can buy a small salad packed in a big nasty disposable environmentally unfriendly plastic container. So, I usually leave with a cheese and ham sandwich. |
I'm a bit confused. So you want to buy a bento and your veggie options are limited then you say you go with a cheese and ham sandwich. Wouldn't you just be as well off with the bento in the first place as you're eating ham? But, in essence, if you're that worried you'd be better off making your own lunch I guess.
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I'm not vegetarian per say, but I try to eat vegetarian food when that option is available. |
It's per se, not per say. |
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izmigari
Joined: 04 Feb 2016 Posts: 197 Location: Rubbing shoulders with the 8-Ball in the top left pocket
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Interestingly enough, Okinawa, with it braised pork-belly eating self boasts some of the longest-lived people in the world!
Go figure!  |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Japan does have a sophisticated vegetarian food culture, shojin riyori, developed in temples.
I was talking to my man about food culture here. He's from deep rural Ibaraki. He says older family members recalled the privation of post war Japan, and he confirms that American food aid played a big part in the changing food preferences in Japan. Pre-war people ate vast amounts of rice and veg, but post war, people began eating a wide variety of foods, with meat.
Feeding kids milk, bread and meat became a high priority, and vegetarian diet didn't figure.
Here's an excerpt of a book about the changes in Japanese diet
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/food-matters/how-the-japanese-diet-became-the-japanese-diet/ |
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rxk22
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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mitsui wrote: |
There used to be but then in the Meiji era people imitated westerners and started eating meat.
I guess you should head to Kyoto.
You have to look around. Stuck with beans, tofu, eggs.
Have mabudofu and cha-han.
Have a vegetarian curry - add beans, potatoes and a carrot.
I like oyaki from Nagano.
From Miyagi there are a few kinds of burgers - from tofu, carrots, and fish. |
Yep Japan used to be vegetarian. I wonder why they had such a radical turn around here? As actually vegetarianism here seems misunderstood. Having vegetables with mean isn't vegetarian. |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:54 am Post subject: |
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Rxk22 said
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wonder why they had such a radical turn around here? |
The Scientific American blog post explains why. |
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rxk22
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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TokyoLiz wrote: |
Rxk22 said
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wonder why they had such a radical turn around here? |
The Scientific American blog post explains why. |
Saw that, I went to reply and my reply got deleted.
I wonder if it is not just the underlying Buddhism, but also the fact that Japan has had a low % of pasture land compared to say, Europe. If that is true, than having meat would be wasteful, as it would be in the place of rice/other crops. While in Europe, a lot of land that was used for pasture was unfit to farm.
Kinda curious, but I did enjoy that link. |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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My guy thinks the increase in meat consumption is about emulating western culture.
I think it's about raising hardier children. I'm average height for a Canadian woman, and 10 kg less than average. My junior high girls are often as tall as me or taller.
[/url]http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/aprilholladay/2006-12-04-size-age_x.htm[url]
A Canadian friend who has visited Japan infrequently for the last ten years remarks on the increasing height of Japanese people. She says from her first visit to her most recent, young Japanese seem to tower over her. She has noticed the change in the diet, too, to greater meat consumption. |
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rxk22
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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TokyoLiz wrote: |
My guy thinks the increase in meat consumption is about emulating western culture.
I think it's about raising hardier children. I'm average height for a Canadian woman, and 10 kg less than average. My junior high girls are often as tall as me or taller.
[/url]http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/aprilholladay/2006-12-04-size-age_x.htm[url]
A Canadian friend who has visited Japan infrequently for the last ten years remarks on the increasing height of Japanese people. She says from her first visit to her most recent, young Japanese seem to tower over her. She has noticed the change in the diet, too, to greater meat consumption. |
You may be right. I think it was for health.
And, yes the kids here are really tall now. A lot of boys are easily 6ft tall. Which isn't something that's super common, as it is above avg height for America. |
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Black_Beer_Man
Joined: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 453 Location: Yokohama
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:56 am Post subject: |
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It's funny how, in the West, doctors are telling us to eat more fish and veggies. Whereas here, they're pushing meat.
I guess everybody in Japan is eating factory-farmed meat which is cruelly produced and contains antibiotic drug residues. The antibiotics found in meat renders many of over-the-counter antibiotic drugs ineffective when patients need to take them.
It's rather surprising that Japan does not promote more soy in the diet because it's a soy-producing country. Tofu contains no cholesterol, is lower calory and digests more easily than meat.
I don't know why the school children don't drink soymilk instead of cow's milk? Cow's milk also contains antibiotic drug residue.
It's not natural to drink cow's milk anyway. The human is the only animal on Earth that drinks milk after infancy.
If the reason why Japanese eat more meat is to copy Westerners, they've really done a disservice to themselves. The original Japanese diet is healthier. |
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