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Teachers From English-speaking Countries Not Coming To Japan
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Black_Beer_Man



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:22 am    Post subject: Teachers From English-speaking Countries Not Coming To Japan Reply with quote

I was just thinking how Japan hires so many ALT English teachers for public schools, but, to my knowledge, Korea and Taiwan do not.

I have observed that dispatch companies such as Interac and Borderlink hire English teachers from Philippines, Israel, Spain and countries in Africa.

I have no problems with this as the teachers I have met from these countries have enough skills and qualifications to teach English to elementary school students.

However, why do you think Japan hires these teachers, but Korea and Taiwan only hires English teachers from the following English-speaking countries (USA, Canada, Britain, Australia and New Zealand)?

Can't Japan attract enough teachers from English-speaking countries to fill these job vacancies?
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No because the wages they pay is less than before.
Pay used to be more, with more native speakers doing the teaching.

There are ALTs in Korea but jobs have been cut in order to save money.
I think more Korean teachers are teaching oral skills.


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rxk22



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think as Mitsui said, it is because the EFL industry here is undercutting it's self all the time. Seems like the race to the bottom is never ending.
My school was hiring, and it pays decently. Even still it was hard to find decent candidates. I feel that most people with any real degrees/certs/or even just being a good employable person, they end up not coming to Japan anymore.
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rtm



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Teachers From English-speaking Countries Not Coming To J Reply with quote

Black_Beer_Man wrote:
However, why do you think Japan hires these teachers, but Korea and Taiwan only hires English teachers from the following English-speaking countries (USA, Canada, Britain, Australia and New Zealand)?

Can't Japan attract enough teachers from English-speaking countries to fill these job vacancies?


Like others have said, I think it's purely financial. Teachers from, e.g., the Philippines are generally more willing to accept a lower wage than those from, e.g., the US or UK. Learning English isn't as much of a priority among many Japanese people as it is in many other countries. Japan has traditionally been more insular, and the size and strength of the Japanese economy has generally meant that most people don't have to think much about dealing with other countries (e.g., for trade or education). One of the effects of this is that Japan is less willing to sink large amounts of money into learning English.

Of course, that doesn't mean that English isn't going to be important for Japan's future.

Interestingly, a possible unintended benefit of having more diversity among English teachers is that students may eventually realize that people of all types all over the world use English, not just blond-haired, blue-eyed 20-somethings from the US. In the future, Japanese people will probably be more likely to use English with someone from, say, Vietnam or Korea than someone from the US or Canada.
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timothypfox



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume this post is about non-JET jobs and ALT type of jobs? I would say also that private junior or senior hire schools still hire teachers from places like Canada, the US, Australia, the UK, and New Zealand. They are still offering much better salaries and benefits than dispatch companies. I won't mince words in saying that these jobs are more competitive to find, but these kinds of jobs are out there and are a good option for those who no longer want to work for a dispatch company or face uncertainties working for a local school board which may or may not have a permanent hiring arrangement.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It appears that the city I live in hires ALTs directly, and the majority of them are from countries other than Canada, the US, the UK, Australia, etc. I suspect that they are mostly spouses (wives) of local people. They may or may not be qualified teachers from their home countries. The salary is very low.

As Timothypfox says, private schools still hire teachers from "center" countries. They tend to expect TESOL, PGCE, B.Ed, etc., experience, plus Japanese language skill and cultural knowledge.

I've mentioned before in other threads, it's hard to find skilled people from anywhere to work. It's even hard to find people who are simply ready for the job.

Interestingly, in conversation with a veteran Japanese teacher of English a few weeks ago, I learned that it's nearly impossible to find Japanese people who are ready to work (language fluency and teacher training) in English teaching. The lack of skilled people meant that he didn't see opportunity for program development.
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Black_Beer_Man



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Outside of the JET Program, I have only seen dispatch compnies offering ALT positions.

I think those well-paying teaching jobs in the private schools you're talking about (timothypfox) are solo-teaching positions, aren't they?

Solo teaching is tough. You have to manage the classes strictly and do a lot of grading and lesson-planning. You earn more, but you have to work more too.
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kpjf



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black_Beer_Man wrote:

Solo teaching is tough. You have to manage the classes strictly and do a lot of grading and lesson-planning. You earn more, but you have to work more too.


Exactly. That's what a teacher should do.
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timothypfox



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This isn't really the thread for me to get into the specifics of my work, but yes, I do solo teach and plan my own lessons. Feel free to send a p.m. if you would like more specifics on private school teaching for foreign teachers.

The last time my school did hire, we were bombarded with qualified and overqualified candidates from mostly English speaking countries.
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weigookin74



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rxk22 wrote:
I think as Mitsui said, it is because the EFL industry here is undercutting it's self all the time. Seems like the race to the bottom is never ending.
My school was hiring, and it pays decently. Even still it was hard to find decent candidates. I feel that most people with any real degrees/certs/or even just being a good employable person, they end up not coming to Japan anymore.


Define decently? At least 300,000 Yen a month or more?
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timothypfox



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For my school, yes.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The institutions that I've worked with, yes, over ¥300,000 plus benefits.
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

weigookin74 wrote:

Define decently? At least 300,000 Yen a month or more?



Not for a new hire with little experience. But you can make over 300K a month after a few years. I make more than 300K a month now.

Most of the people who applied were African, or Filipino. While the native English speakers seemed to be Otaku, or had nothing to bring to the table.
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Black_Beer_Man



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rxk22 & Tokyo Liz must be paying very high ward tax and health insurance.

I mean losing almost 2 months of salary per year to these schemes.

Mine is as follows:

33,200 yen / per month for national health insurance.

253,000 yen / year ward tax.

Seems really expensive to me. I'd say I am maybe just into the middle income range. More than 300K, but not a lot more.

Living in Japan has gotten unaffordable (unless you like eating a lot of cabbage and tofu). I have never seen such high ward tax and health insurance tax before.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every year, the first few months of my salary are eaten by social insurance and tax. It's still less than my home country deductions, and I get slightly more value from the deductions since both medical and dental are covered (only medical is covered where I'm from).

My partner and I share the rent and bills on a house that's palatial by Japanese standards, in the 'burbs, and we eat like kings.
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