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cruiser1
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Why don't you just apply for the jobs and see if you get an interview even if it says 2 years experience. I doubt anyone needs 2 years experience to teach in China. Maybe for universities but not general run of the mill language schools or training schools. They'll prob take someone straight out of college. But you won't know unless you apply to lots of jobs.  |
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rafterman23
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| cruiser1 wrote: |
| Why don't you just apply for the jobs and see if you get an interview even if it says 2 years experience. I doubt anyone needs 2 years experience to teach in China. Maybe for universities but not general run of the mill language schools or training schools. They'll prob take someone straight out of college. But you won't know unless you apply to lots of jobs. |
The current plan in a nutshell |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:59 am Post subject: |
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I don't think schools come into the market with a 'we will hire people with less than 2 years post grad experience' pitch.
It's for the applicant to present himself as a hiring case.
That's why I mentioned universities of technology as they are pre sensitized to what OP has to offer.
Any newbe looking to start here in Sept, better get a wriggle on. |
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wangdaning
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| With your degree, you could teach precalculus, calculus, physics or perhaps chemistry. Who not teach those subjects, rather than English? You would earn a higher salary. You can find a few universities and many international high schools looking for math and science teachers. You're qualified. |
A very bad idea as a first time teacher. Yes, you might land the job, but what support or materials would be available. Not saying impossible, but much more difficult. I also enjoy teaching subjects, but it took a bit of getting used to how things go and relies on the materials being there.
About your main question OP, don't know if any of us were 22 when we came here, so it is a hard one to answer. I came at 24, and on a tourist visa. I came in that way, realized it would not work out, had to jump ship. Less than 3 months later I was exhausted of resources, had little prospect of work, had a gf (now wife), things were not looking good. I found a job by applying for everything. I was so broke by the time that it took me thirty something hours on a train with no seat. It did work out in the end, been working here 7 years.
I am trying to connect this because I think applying everywhere is important. Blacklists are jokes, I have seen my mug listed as Irish, I am from the US. They aren't out, mostly, to steal your identity, it is more a face for their marketing. So, apply to as many as you can and then analyze the worthiness of the positions. I would say I wish I had done that, but the truth is things have worked out for me (luck). |
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rafterman23
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Thanks for telling your experience, wangdaning, I'll definitely keep this in mind. Glad it worked out for you! I am indeed planning on applying to really any position that looks legitimate and in line with my preferences (which are definitely very loose, I know my lower-than-average qualifications).
Non Sequitur, if I really like a position, and they say 2 years required experience, I see value in sending my application over anyway because I might get an interview anyway, but others have said that this shows that a candidate can't read the basic requirements and is a waste of time. Thoughts? I'm obviously leaning towards the "apply anyway, what's the worst that could happen" camp ^^ |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| Don't overthink things. But definitely have an exit strategy and an emergency fund. (That's with any TEFL job.) |
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Guerciotti
Joined: 13 Feb 2009
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Location: In a sleazy bar killing all the bad guys.
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| Guerciotti wrote: |
| With your degree, you could teach precalculus, calculus, physics or perhaps chemistry. Who not teach those subjects, rather than English? You would earn a higher salary. You can find a few universities and many international high schools looking for math and science teachers. You're qualified. |
A very bad idea as a first time teacher. Yes, you might land the job, but what support or materials would be available. Not saying impossible, but much more difficult. I also enjoy teaching subjects, but it took a bit of getting used to how things go and relies on the materials being there.
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Support or materials? You need to know the subject, have a textbook and a chalkboard. You can't be serious? Oh, and chalk. It's good to have chalk when using a chalkboard. You can find many useful things on Taobao, cheap.
If you just finished an engineering degree, I am sure the Chain Rule or L'Hopital's Rule won't give you any trouble.
Besides, all the English teaching jobs I had gave me zero support and no materials, or materials that were clearly inappropriate or just plain rubbish. |
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Non Sequitur
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Thanks for telling your experience, wangdaning, I'll definitely keep this in mind. Glad it worked out for you! I am indeed planning on applying to really any position that looks legitimate and in line with my preferences (which are definitely very loose, I know my lower-than-average qualifications).
Non Sequitur, if I really like a position, and they say 2 years required experience, I see value in sending my application over anyway because I might get an interview anyway, but others have said that this shows that a candidate can't read the basic requirements and is a waste of time. Thoughts? I'm obviously leaning towards the "apply anyway, what's the worst that could happen" camp ^^ |
As long as the first thing that hits them when they look at your email is:
'I am a graduate in (Mechanical) Engineering with a minor in Materials Testing.
I am looking for a teaching or teaching assistant role in a technology university commencing in September 2016. I am a native speaker of English (US).
My ideal position would be assisting Chinese graduates prepare for study in a Western college but any English teaching with a technology emphasis would be of interest.
My CV is attached as well as scans of my degree cerificates and my passport. A selection of personal photographs is also attached.
blah
blah
If you have done any tutoring even on an informal basis talk that up.
Let them work out your lack of 2years exp for themselves. The trick is to keep them reading |
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wangdaning
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Support or materials? You need to know the subject, have a textbook and a chalkboard. You can't be serious? Oh, and chalk. It's good to have chalk when using a chalkboard. You can find many useful things on Taobao, cheap. |
My point was that as a first year teacher it is not so easy to scape together all of this and plan a curriculum. Maybe for you it is nothing, but I wanted to point out it might not be that easy for everyone. |
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cruiser1
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| You have unlicensed teachers teaching in the US, and you have teaching assistants teaching in the UK, so you can teach engineering or maths in China. Personally, I would get a teaching license for the US if it were me then you can apply to any school in the world. |
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asiannationmc
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| You can find many useful things on Taobao, cheap. |
Cheap for someone else, you can be darn tooten I wouldn't spend my hard earned coin on materials.... |
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Non Sequitur
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| cruiser1 wrote: |
| You have unlicensed teachers teaching in the US, and you have teaching assistants teaching in the UK, so you can teach engineering or maths in China. Personally, I would get a teaching license for the US if it were me then you can apply to any school in the world. |
These 'unlicensed teachers' and 'teaching assistants' are US or UK natives.
You can't extrapolate that to China.
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Guerciotti
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| You can find many useful things on Taobao, cheap. |
Cheap for someone else, you can be darn tooten I wouldn't spend my hard earned coin on materials.... |
So don't. I like the subjects I teach, so I buy books on the subjects.
Up to you! |
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Hermosillo
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Location: Chiang Mai, Thailand
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| I had to go through a medical check for my Thai Visa. y local public health office wouldn't een sign it about the TB part...they only give a certificate. I googles "travel medical" and found a Lebanese Doctor in Dc, that specializes in nonsensical forms. 55 USD...he guaranteed it...all they want to see is the stamp. One visit...Otherwise, the HMOs want 400 usd for complete, and they are still suppose to certify that you are mentally fit....so it becomes a liability issue. |
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LarssonCrew
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I'm not joking, it cost me 450 GBP + traveling costs in London, almost 500 GBP once you do train and lunch, for my medical. Pre Brexit drop that's almost 800 usd.
Plus, the Chinese are so shifty even after I arrive they still insist on doing it again. Sorry, I know in China people will lie and fake things constantly but a UK doc won't just sign it, he even had to get the xray and bloods done off site as a precaution thanks for a medical council suggestion. |
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