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Paris teacher
Joined: 17 Jun 2016 Posts: 38
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:53 am Post subject: Could China surpass KSA in wages for EFL? |
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I have noticed a few posts claiming that Saudi is waning when it comes to wages. What surprises me is that I also hear teachers claiming that work in China could bring in just as much money as work in KSA. Do you think this is far fetched? Does anyone have experience with both countries? If so, how would you compare the earning potential? |
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waltgomez
Joined: 03 Jul 2014 Posts: 105
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:59 am Post subject: |
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My understanding is that low tier jobs in Saudi, the ones that pay SAR 9,000 -10,000 ( USD 2400-2700) are starting to approximate high tier China jobs which also pay about the same. The Chinese are also starting to offer free accommodations. Thus, if your goal is to save USD 20,000 a year and not to put up with harsh weather, no women and no booze, then, you might as well go to China. However, 'most' Chinese jobs do not pay so much while lower tier Saudi jobs are dime a dozen.
If you are a relative beginner in the ESL field, then, you should go to China, and after that, shoot for high paying Saudi jobs- which pay USD 3800-4800 and up. Then, it will be worth it. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:09 am Post subject: |
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In China you are expected to put in some work. Give me a life of leisure in KSA - preferably not in the same institution as some of those constantly griping on this forum.
sez Scot47 from the safety of retirement in the Estuary of the River Clyde ! |
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RustyShackleford

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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:13 am Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
In China you are expected to put in some work. Give me a life of leisure in KSA |
In China, I could reasonably expect my students to open their books to the proper page and maybe give something resembling a damn about actually learning!
KSA would be bearable if it weren't for the bloody students if you ask me. |
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scot47

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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:30 am Post subject: |
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That depends on where you teach in KSA. |
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RustyShackleford

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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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True enough. I'm in one of the military outfits and just recently submitted my resignation. Will be doing a fair but honest write-up soon enough. |
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scot47

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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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Military pays the money but that money has a price on it. Better to go for a cushy number in Civvy Street. the students tend to be better and can be quite human. |
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nellyp
Joined: 29 Mar 2015 Posts: 58
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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I think the bonus in Saudi will always be the tax. Wages for toptier Chinese jobs to low tiear Saudi jobs may now equate, but the tax brings the Chinese jobs lower |
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plumpy nut
Joined: 12 Mar 2011 Posts: 1652
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Some companies in China pay you with after tax wages. The usual teaching hours are twenty hours, not 30 to 40 found in Saudi Arabia. With overtime you can make close to what a crappy job in Saudi pays. Also think about the fringe benefits: reasonable hard working supervisors (recommendations given), no idiot demands for dress clothes by superficial Saudi companies for their students, no completely blown out of proportion requests made by the SACM, and blown out of proportion medical tests, no idiot perceptions that a few online classes make a degree unacceptable, and much much more. When I was getting my TEFL certificate, the classes were told by the academy that the Chinese were the most sensible of all people to work with in the ESL industry. Any benefits to working in Saudi Arabia are starting to collapse, and the Saudis are getting more and more demanding just like a third world dictator about to be ousted. |
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scot47

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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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So is Plumpy now cooperating in the construction of "The Chinese Road to Capitalism" ? Can we expect him to start mimicking the Capitalist Roaders with their refrain" It is a glorious thing to get rich !" ?? |
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nellyp
Joined: 29 Mar 2015 Posts: 58
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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plumpy nut wrote: |
Some companies in China pay you with after tax wages. The usual teaching hours are twenty hours, not 30 to 40 found in Saudi Arabia. With overtime you can make close to what a crappy job in Saudi pays. Also think about the fringe benefits: reasonable hard working supervisors (recommendations given), no idiot demands for dress clothes by superficial Saudi companies for their students, no completely blown out of proportion requests made by the SACM, and blown out of proportion medical tests, no idiot perceptions that a few online classes make a degree unacceptable, and much much more. When I was getting my TEFL certificate, the classes were told by the academy that the Chinese were the most sensible of all people to work with in the ESL industry. Any benefits to working in Saudi Arabia are starting to collapse, and the Saudis are getting more and more demanding just like a third world dictator about to be ousted. |
Any idea who those companies are ? I have been offered jobs in China that would interest me until I take tax out. I would MUCH prefer to go to China |
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nomad soul

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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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nellyp wrote: |
I have been offered jobs in China that would interest me until I take tax out. I would MUCH prefer to go to China |
Frankly, China is a better deal for you. It seems quite a few teachers tutor on the side to make those extra earnings. Head to the China forum to see about opportunities that fit your qualifications. |
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Hatcher
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:43 am Post subject: |
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If the OP wants to PM me, feel free.
I have been to both places and now claim that both places have a wide range of jobs and salaries.
I make more in China than in the KSA but my ave hourly rate is highest in the KSA.
If you can sit inside and be alone for days on end, the KSA is for you. I worked 3-4 hours a day for less than 26 weeks of the year.
If u need some entertainment, dont go there. |
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sheikh radlinrol
Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 1222 Location: Spain
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Hatcher wrote: |
If you can sit inside and be alone for days on end, the KSA is for you. I worked 3-4 hours a day for less than 26 weeks of the year.
If u need some entertainment, dont go there. |
In KSA I NEVER sat inside and alone for days on end!
If by entertainment you mean discos, bars and movie theaters, then forget it. I, and other people, made our own entertainment. You know, sport, gym, pool, home made wine, TV and, believe it or not, books.
I don´t consider myself very sociable but acquaintances in the Kingdom had a vibrant social life with gallons of booze, parties and s**. My experiences of the Kingdom may not be general but nor are yours (or those of the embittered Plumpynut). Please bear in mind that teachers considering a post in KSA come to this board for information, not prejudices. |
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plumpy nut
Joined: 12 Mar 2011 Posts: 1652
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
I don´t consider myself very sociable but acquaintances in the Kingdom had a vibrant social life with gallons of booze, parties and s**. My experiences of the Kingdom may not be general but nor are yours (or those of the embittered Plumpynut). Please bear in mind that teachers considering a post in KSA come to this board for information, not prejudices. |
They also don't come to listen to the smug superficial tauntings of a typical Dave's ESL sociopath. The Saudi bashers on this board are not prejudiced, although I have seen some antisemitism by some of the sociopaths that I refer too. Bashing Saudis is reasonable. |
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