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spanglish
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| As of 2 years ago, salaries were much higher for some teachers ago than any numbers quoted on this thread. |
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plumpy nut
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| Higher than $ 72000 USD? |
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danshengou
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With Amideast it was teaching about 25 contact hours of vocational with a month off for good behavior. The package was $72k, which the Saudis paid, and an additional amount for housing, travel, etc. came to another $2k a month which Amideast paid. So all in they were getting $8k minus a bit (for the American chaps) for Social Security/Medicare on the portion that Amideast paid. So that's not too bad of a deal if you get based near Bahrain, and a lot of guys could milk that for at least 3-5 years or more and keep their Thai wives/girlfriends pretty happy.
As of today, it looks like that deal has come to a halt, but there have been no solid confirmations of this from any Amideast guys. Were it true, my guess is they would simply collect what they could on the remainder of their deals and depart the casino with their winnings. |
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Scare Crow
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| The goose that for four years laid the golden egg at SESP has permanently flown the coop. The new reality is that the former generous salary packages offered instructors are now nothing more than dust in the wind. |
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spanglish
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| plumpy nut wrote: |
| Higher than $ 72000 USD? |
The package quoted by danshengou is about what I was referring to. Came out to $100K US a year (or a little more) but you had to pay for your own housing/flights out of that. |
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danshengou
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| It seems there is enough evidence that the old SESP deal is dead and gone. The new salary is rather unsavory, so it will be interesting to see how things play out for them. Maybe they will increase the vacation as an offset, since it was only 1 month, although this is unlikely. Also, since SESP was paying the Amideast salaries, it is unclear if Amideast is going to pick up any of that 9000SAR(?) slack. Any info on this? |
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spanglish
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| It seems there is enough evidence that the old SESP deal is dead and gone. The new salary is rather unsavory, so it will be interesting to see how things play out for them. Maybe they will increase the vacation as an offset, since it was only 1 month, although this is unlikely. Also, since SESP was paying the Amideast salaries, it is unclear if Amideast is going to pick up any of that 9000SAR(?) slack. Any info on this? |
Yeah, that was a great money maker, but sounded tough; my contacts were in rural Saudi, which didn't sound like a picnic. It sounded like 1-2 years max was all most could take of it. Also heard about some significant management issues.
Great way to save up for a western mortgage though, all things considered. One of my friends said he'd have to make at least $200,000 in the US to have same take-home pay. Sad how things have gone in the US - so few can afford what used to be a lower middle-class lifestyle. |
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nomad soul
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| The huge drop in salary may also be a result of changing business needs. Working on a startup from the ground up often entails wider but specific experience and qualifications; teachers are required to wear many hats and sometimes work long hours. Those high-paying contracts may have reflected those particular business needs at that time. Ditto if the facility is located in an unstable part of the country. |
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danshengou
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| The huge drop in salary may also be a result of changing business needs. Working on a startup from the ground up often entails wider but specific experience and qualifications; teachers are required to wear many hats and sometimes work long hours. Those high-paying contracts may have reflected those particular business needs at that time. Ditto if the facility is located in an unstable part of the country. |
That's wishful thinking indeed, but a nice bit to tell their next employer. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| danshengou wrote: |
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| The huge drop in salary may also be a result of changing business needs. Working on a startup from the ground up often entails wider but specific experience and qualifications; teachers are required to wear many hats and sometimes work long hours. Those high-paying contracts may have reflected those particular business needs at that time. Ditto if the facility is located in an unstable part of the country. |
That's wishful thinking indeed, but a nice bit to tell their next employer. |
What's wishful thinking in regard to my comments? |
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spanglish
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| The huge drop in salary may also be a result of changing business needs. Working on a startup from the ground up often entails wider but specific experience and qualifications; teachers are required to wear many hats and sometimes work long hours. Those high-paying contracts may have reflected those particular business needs at that time. Ditto if the facility is located in an unstable part of the country. |
Yep, good points. My friends and I all had fairly specific, high-end quals and experience - and the kind of start-up experience you mentioned. I wouldn't characterize the salary as all that huge, however. They both had options to continue working there at the same salary or more and I was offered the same, but we all had other options that were better for us (mostly because none of us thought the salary was enough to compensate for the life style in rural Saudi). |
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spanglish
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| One more point - my comment on how much you'd have to make in the US to have the same take-home pay was more a commentary on how absurdly high taxes and housing are in American cities. |
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nomad soul
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| spanglish wrote: |
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| The huge drop in salary may also be a result of changing business needs. Working on a startup from the ground up often entails wider but specific experience and qualifications; teachers are required to wear many hats and sometimes work long hours. Those high-paying contracts may have reflected those particular business needs at that time. Ditto if the facility is located in an unstable part of the country. |
Yep, good points. My friends and I all had fairly specific, high-end quals and experience - and the kind of start-up experience you mentioned. I wouldn't characterize the salary as all that huge, however. |
Huge is subjective. Anyway, you didn't follow up on the position. (I suspect that's when you headed to Libya?)
I've worked on a startup project. It would be interesting to hear from someone who was at SESP in 2013-2014 -- what that experience entailed -- warts-n-all. |
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jkazz7
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The first year of the program was 2012-2013.
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| The huge drop in salary may also be a result of changing business needs. Working on a startup from the ground up often entails wider but specific experience and qualifications; teachers are required to wear many hats and sometimes work long hours. Those high-paying contracts may have reflected those particular business needs at that time. Ditto if the facility is located in an unstable part of the country. |
Yep, good points. My friends and I all had fairly specific, high-end quals and experience - and the kind of start-up experience you mentioned. I wouldn't characterize the salary as all that huge, however. |
Huge is subjective. Anyway, you didn't follow up on the position. (I suspect that's when you headed to Libya?)
I've worked on a startup project. It would be interesting to hear from someone who was at SESP in 2013-2014 -- what that experience entailed -- warts-n-all. |
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spanglish
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
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| The huge drop in salary may also be a result of changing business needs. Working on a startup from the ground up often entails wider but specific experience and qualifications; teachers are required to wear many hats and sometimes work long hours. Those high-paying contracts may have reflected those particular business needs at that time. Ditto if the facility is located in an unstable part of the country. |
Yep, good points. My friends and I all had fairly specific, high-end quals and experience - and the kind of start-up experience you mentioned. I wouldn't characterize the salary as all that huge, however. |
Huge is subjective. Anyway, you didn't follow up on the position. (I suspect that's when you headed to Libya?)
I've worked on a startup project. It would be interesting to hear from someone who was at SESP in 2013-2014 -- what that experience entailed -- warts-n-all. |
No, this was post-Libya (so it would make sense if the program started in 2012). After my Libya experience, I had no interest in another 'hardship' posting, and I also switched careers. |
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