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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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Another medical has been required every time I've applied for a new visa - starting Feb 2004.
I'm referring to fresh jobs applied for from home country. I've transferred between China jobs without going home and applied afresh after being in home country for a stint.
But why the fixation on the fact that we do a preliminary check to get a visa and then a hospital visit once here?
Surely one of the things about travel is that it helps develop tolerance of difference. |
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donkeydonkey
Joined: 01 Aug 2015
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| rafterman23 wrote: |
I'm not denying that subject teaching positions exist or are available, they definitely are. I actually just did a quick search of Dave's China job board right now to see. They exist, yes.
But would any of them even look at an application with less than 2 years of experience? None that I've found. (If you know of one / can find one, please show me, I'd love to be wrong.) |
Hi OP,
Pick a job you like and apply. If the school wants you, then they will make it happen. Don't worry about the requirements listed in the job advert. People get jobs all of the time without 2 years experience, without degrees, without being a native speaker.etc. Third tier cities are going to be your best bet.
Quick example: There is an expat in my city that is a convicted felon, with no college degree, a drinking problem, an anger management problems, and no tefl. He had no experience when he came here. I didn't believe him that he had a z-visa and a residency permit. He showed it to me last week. He has lived in this city for 6 years and has taught English, either full time or on the side, for what is probably half the schools in the city. I don't know how all of it works. I am guessing fake credentials and pulling strings by the schools. He did say that his school claims that he is a Russian Art teacher. Never doubt the magic. TIC |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Quick example: There is an expat in my city that is a convicted felon, with no college degree, a drinking problem, an anger management problems, and no tefl. He had no experience when he came here. I didn't believe him that he had a z-visa and a residency permit.
..and he's one of the better ones! |
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donkeydonkey
Joined: 01 Aug 2015
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Seeing a *ton* of conflicting information... |
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| rafterman23 wrote: |
Oh also, medical checks. Some (like the website of the Chinese Embassy in the US) say I don't need any medical papers to get a Z visa. Other people tell all these stories about getting medical checks before you apply. But there are no official forms (that I've seen) to give to my doctor or anything to fill out, or anywhere that says that I need them, so where is this coming from?
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Also on this point, just apply for the jobs. The school will tell you what they need to get the visa done. My first time, just as others have said, i had to get the medical in the U.S and then was immediately given another one when I got to china. Upon renewing, i have only needed one in china each time I sign another contract, renew my residency permit etc. My advice would be don't worry about this yet. get a job and let the school tell you they need the health check for the invitation letter, apostille for the diploma, transcripts, f.b.i background check or whatever else. otherwise you may wind up paying for something that they don't ask for and, so, wasting your time and money |
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LarssonCrew
Joined: 06 Jun 2009
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My experience has been, renewing just needs to redo China side medical, however, mine was, if continuing with the same employer, only required every 2 years [I think the FEC runs out after 2 years], however changing employer I needed to do it China side.
Of course spending 400 RMB and getting it back feels like pittance compared to almost 5000 I spent in the UK. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
Joined: 02 Jun 2015
Posts: 1168
Location: Since 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| On my last application for a job, the recruiter recommended that I use a two year-old medical survey. She said that it made no difference. She was right. I don't recommend this, but in some cases it really doesn't matter. In my case, it didn't matter. |
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LarssonCrew
Joined: 06 Jun 2009
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One other piece of advice for applying, is that in China if you're new I suggest more of a 'carpet bombing' approach. You can literally just go on Dave's ESL Dave's or ECC and look for anything above say 10,000 or any university positions. Compile the emails and send out one huge email to 10-15 employers. I know it's a bit cookie cutter but it's better to get 3 or 4 interviews [for experience] and 3-4 offers to judge.
It's not like home where you see a job and maybe apply to a new one every 6 months, study the company, preen your CV, build it up and have to go through 3 or 4 steps.
Same to the Seth Efrican woman. No need to just pin your hopes on one employer because they might already have someone and just not respond or not like your look or are looking for females or males only etc. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Serious Teachers is a site worth listing on. Free to teachers.
http://www.seriousteachers.com/
If you have preferred location the site is also searchable. |
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plumpy nut
Joined: 12 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
Quick example: There is an expat in my city that is a convicted felon, with no college degree, a drinking problem, an anger management problems, and no tefl. He had no experience when he came here. I didn't believe him that he had a z-visa and a residency permit.
..and he's one of the better ones! |
So how does he manage to stay on with such a good background. Do bribes work well in China? |
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Non Sequitur
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| As quickly as they get rid of the baddies, replacements arrive. |
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