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plumpy nut
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 Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:51 am Post subject: Re: Do Not Recognise My School on Approved List |
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| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
I wasn't asked for transcripts and I didn't submit any transcripts recently. When was this requirement added?
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You don't need apostilled transcripts? Just the apostilled degree certificate. You learn something new everyday. I assumed they might want apostilled transcripts as well as an apostilled degree certificate for authentication, being that transcripts are more authoritative than a degree certificate. How was I to know? The Chinese embassy website actually isn't clear about the subject. |
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adventious
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:53 am Post subject: Re: Do Not Recognise My School on Approved List |
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| plumpy nut wrote: |
| ..being that transcripts are more authoritative than a degree certificate. |
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plumpy nut
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:07 am Post subject: Re: Do Not Recognise My School on Approved List |
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| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
So now, the new fact is that China never signed onto the Hague Agreement, so a lot of people are going through a lot of rigamarole.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. |
It's a double standard. They can be sure that a certificate from another country is real when it is apostilled by the Secretary of State of that country. The Hague convention helps them to know a certificate is genuine. However it's inconvenient for some reason for China to go along with the Hague convention as a signee. They are a bunch of dishonest hypocrites. They can just turn around and say, "Well the certificate you received from our country was not genuine anyway, so there", when it's convenient for them to do so. |
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plumpy nut
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:09 am Post subject: Re: Do Not Recognise My School on Approved List |
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| adventious wrote: |
| plumpy nut wrote: |
| ..being that transcripts are more authoritative than a degree certificate. |
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They are more substantial. They are the standard in the West for reasons that most people know and understand. |
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adventious
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:15 am Post subject: Re: Do Not Recognise My School on Approved List |
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| plumpy nut wrote: |
| adventious wrote: |
| plumpy nut wrote: |
| ..being that transcripts are more authoritative than a degree certificate. |
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They are more substantial. They are the standard in the West for reasons that most people know and understand. |
If by substantial you mean transcripts document greater detail, I agree. But both a degree and a transcript are simply records of an institution's trustees conferring a degree-- typically referred to as a diploma.
A certificate, as a term, are artifacts of bureaucracies (which one could argue educational institutions have their fair share, but...) any appointed (or self-appointed) commission, cooperative, association, etc., defines and presents. It's a less specific term; a cognate is certain. It means to declare/witness the truth of.
This conflation of degree/diploma/certificate is a usage I came across in the middle east and I chalk it up to the cultural differences of monarchies and secular republics. Less generous conclusions are stamp happy cultures.
And it's true when I began working in education some time ago, sealed transcripts were a typical requirement. So if that's what you mean by a standard, then I agree.
Another tendency I came across in the middle east is conjecture in terms that are without means to test: Like what most people do, say, or think. Bah. |
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