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nomad soul
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| Too bad you don't have experience teaching communications-related university courses, because that might actually work out better for you in the long run. |
Rather than teaching, the OP's education and possibly her trainer experience are better suited for positions related to marketing communications. Annual salaries average around $55-60K US. |
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danshengou
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| Too bad you don't have experience teaching communications-related university courses, because that might actually work out better for you in the long run. |
Rather than teaching, the OP's education and possibly her trainer experience are better suited for positions related to marketing communications. Annual salaries average around $55-60K US. |
Or that. Just so long as it isn't TEFL in Saudi. |
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worldtraveler411
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:11 pm Post subject: Under $30K isn't worth it |
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I'd like to know how others feel, but to me under $30,000 salary including apartment really isn't worth it, considering how far you are going and how much you are giving up.
If you just wanted to see the world and perhaps in your early twenties, but I just feel the salary is very low.
So did the original poster find a $40K job? |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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I'd like to know how others feel, but to me under $30,000 salary including apartment really isn't worth it, considering how far you are going and how much you are giving up.
If you just wanted to see the world and perhaps in your early twenties, but I just feel the salary is very low. |
There are teachers who make more than that. However, for others, that salary is the best they can get due to (unrelated) qualifications and minimal experience. Plus, "going far" and "giving up something" are subjective. If that's what you have been offered, you can either take it or move on to other opportunities in the region or in other countries.
By the way, the happy-go-lucky backpacker lifestyle of using TEFL as way to "see the world" is pretty much gone. The best jobs for a global lifestyle are in the travel industry and foreign service. |
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Spelunker
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:03 pm Post subject: re: tourism? |
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| The best jobs for a global lifestyle are in the travel industry and foreign service. |
So this board should be daves travel or foreign cafe? ESL is an industry, for better or worse, funded by those who set up schools/centres, and those willing to take the jobs on offer. I have previously posted TEFL is in a rut, and I stand by that....yet new graduates and those without degrees keep doing it. TEFL will never go away, perhaps the pay will get less (except the gulf/ksa), but it will still remain, in some shape or form. |
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worldtraveler411
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:31 pm Post subject: Not backpacking |
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Not backpacking at all.
Asking legit questions looking for legit answers, not insults.
Yes, TESOL has definitely changed, no doubt.
I know a guy that taught in the 1970s and could buy a 2 story hotel with the extra money he had. |
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Travels
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No solid job yet. I've had a couple offers from universities direct-hire, one for 14,500 sar and the other for 11,800 sar. Neither has appealed to me hugely because I'd have to find my own housing and the visa paperwork scares me. I also want to go fairly soon and don't want to wait until next year.
The Colleges of Excellence have interested me more. I had a verbal job offer that fell through. The recruiter is still communicating with me that it MIGHT happen. Had another interview for a CoE but it's not materializing.
I'm now having second thoughts about going at all. We'll see if anything solid comes through and then I'll consider it if it does. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| The best jobs for a global lifestyle are in the travel industry and foreign service. |
So this board should be daves travel or foreign cafe? ESL is an industry, for better or worse, funded by those who set up schools/centres, and those willing to take the jobs on offer. |
I'm not sure what you're asking. I was suggesting that a career in the travel industry or in foreign service offers more of a global lifestyle than TEFL.
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Not backpacking at all.
Asking legit questions looking for legit answers, not insults.
Yes, TESOL has definitely changed, no doubt. |
I didn't insinuate that you or anyone else on this forum is a backpacker nor was my response intended as an insult to you. You commented about job seekers seeing the world and lukewarm Saudi salaries in one sentence. Most people don't choose the conservative, restrictive Kingdom as a springboard to see the world given that getting a job entails jumping through lots of hoops for a one or two-year contract. Plus, expat workers need their employer's permission to leave the country.
In general, the backpacker lifestyle of traveling around and teaching here and there for a few months lost its luster when many employers and government immigration regs started requiring bona fide degrees and teaching qualifications along with other conditions of legal employment and national security. If anything, regulations and requirements worldwide were likely tightened in response to the backpacking culture. |
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Spelunker
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 9:27 am Post subject: re: agreed |
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| Most people don't choose the conservative, restrictive Kingdom as a springboard to see the world given that getting a job entails jumping through lots of hoops for a one or two-year contract. Plus, expat workers need their employer's permission to leave the country. |
I agree with you here. When I tell most people I worked in the gulf before, and would go back again, they give me a  sort of look with their eyes. The younger teachers and/or digital nomads would choose S.E. asia or somewhere, not somewhere like Saudi Arabia. You go to saudi arabia to save, and either invest the cash/travel on the proceeds. If you want partying and lower living costs while earning less and perhaps not dipping into travel funds, then SE asia is the place.....I don't imagine there is a Bui Vien road equivalent in Riyadh, a khao san road in Jeddah, or a "Shekou" in Dammam.....anyone who has been to Shenzhen, China will know what I mean by the latter.  |
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scot47
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Not everyone goes to KSA to save. Some go to earn a decent salary. Working in KSA was the only time in my life I had enough money , although working for ODA in Zambia came close.
What are you going to do with those savings ? put them in the bank / Descend into landlordism ? |
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nomad soul
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No solid job yet. I've had a couple offers from universities direct-hire, one for 14,500 sar and the other for 11,800 sar. Neither has appealed to me hugely because I'd have to find my own housing and the visa paperwork scares me. I also want to go fairly soon and don't want to wait until next year.
The Colleges of Excellence have interested me more. I had a verbal job offer that fell through. The recruiter is still communicating with me that it MIGHT happen. Had another interview for a CoE but it's not materializing. |
In addition to your MA not being perceived as TEFL-related (you should be bringing it up during your interviews), your timing is limiting you; you applied at the tail end of the recruiting season for most employers --- direct hires and contracting companies. That means you'll probably have to compromise in one way or another if you want to be in KSA in the next few months. Anyway, check Prince Sultan University's website to see if they still have openings for female teachers. They're a direct hire employer that provides housing and not an allowance.
What specifically scares you abut the process to obtain an employment visa? Although tedious, it's fairly straight forward for US citizens. |
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hash
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Not backpacking |
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| Not backpacking at all. |
Note employer comment on "backpackers" in recent ad.
http://www.eslcafe.com/joblist/index.cgi?read=40383
Note previous ad specified ONLY AMERICANS....now in this ad, they'll take "anybody" even though a requirement for this job states: " Excellent command of the lexicon and syntax of spoken and written Standard American English – you will be requested to present a written text during the interviews." (with regrets, Scott 47)
Bottom Line? You decide.
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| I know a guy that taught in the 1970s and could buy a 2 story hotel with the extra money he had. |
"I know a guy that taught in the 1970s and could buy a 2 story hotel with the extra money he had except he lost it all in the crash of 2008."
Bottom line: Y A W N |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: Not backpacking |
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"I know a guy that taught in the 1970s and could buy a 2 story hotel with the extra money he had except he lost it all in the crash of 2008."
Bottom line: Y A W N |
Knowledgeable investors lost little or nothing. You only lose money if you sell. Every one of my investments continued to pay dividends/interest and nearly all have recovered well.
The ones who lost their shirts are the day traders and those who treat the market like the casino it is... and those who panic at every drop and sell.
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hash
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Not backpacking |
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"I know a guy that taught in the 1970s and could buy a 2 story hotel with the extra money he had except he lost it all in the crash of 2008."
Bottom line: Y A W N |
Knowledgeable investors lost little or nothing.
VS |
VS- You totally missed the point of my posting. But thanx for the advice anyway.
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:02 am Post subject: Re: Not backpacking |
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| hash wrote: |
| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| hash wrote: |
"I know a guy that taught in the 1970s and could buy a 2 story hotel with the extra money he had except he lost it all in the crash of 2008."
Bottom line: Y A W N |
Knowledgeable investors lost little or nothing.
VS |
VS- You totally missed the point of my posting. But thanx for the advice anyway.
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You had a point? Other than the one you posted in bold red font?
VS |
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