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Ajia



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:56 pm    Post subject: Will I gain weight? Reply with quote

Hi everyone,
I have read some posts on other forums about the topic of weight gain and/or loss after moving to Japan and from what I can gather it seems that men tend to lose weight while women gain weight??! Does this seem to be the case? And if so, why do you think this happens? If there are any women (men too) out there that can share any experiences or observations with this issue, I'd appreciate it very much.
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Joannda



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I think 'westerners' are prone to gaining weight in Japan. I know I did gain a little when i was there, simply because of the change in diet and lifestyle. although japanese food is 'healthy' in the general sense, it's different to what you are used to (unless you tend to cook a lot of asian food for yourself). So, your body reacts to this different food and you may then gain some weight. For me, it was also because I didn't have as active a life as I used to back home.

If you take a little bit of care and watch what you eat, it shouldn't be a major problem though, and you're bound to loose it again whether it be in Japan if you stay long term, or when you arrive home and return to your 'normal' way of eating.

It really depends on the person though as well. Are you prone to gaining weight? Do you have a fast metabolism? I wouldn't say it's a major worry, I really only gained about 5 kilos and it sure didn't scar me for life Smile Japanese food is delicious!! Make the most of it!
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king kakipi



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, as far as my case goes, I lost weight when I arrived (I am a male).

Four reasons:-
1. J food is healthier; I live at home with a J family and we eat only J food.
2. The servings are smaller; at home and when you eat out
3. Food is more expensive; a dessert after a main course is rarely ordered
4. I have to walk to/from the station; I drove a lot more in my home country

Recently I have returned to my initial `arrival` weight for two reasons:-
1. I have plucked up the courage to walk into McDonalds occasionally as I can order in Japanese now
2. It has been so hot and humid I have taken to having a couple of beers (and kakipi) each night when I get home from work

At 77kg and 175cm I am hardly obese, but I reckon I will have dropped back to the 73kg I was a few months ago by Christmas
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have to disagree with Joannda
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I think 'westerners' are prone to gaining weight in Japan.


There is less chance for foreigners to drive cars than they did in their home countries, so the amount of walking and bicycling you do is greater, and this burns the calories. I lost 7-8 kg in the first 6 months.

Unless you can't stay away from McDonalds (as kakipi state), you should be able to lose weight here. However, it really depends on you. If you can't adjust your diet, who knows? I know some people who ate exactly like they did back home, and they never lost an ounce. No one says you have to eat Japanese food at home, either, let alone in restaurants. There are plenty of international foods available.
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worldwidealive



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From my experiences, there are pretty much three constants with weight gain for foreigners here in Japan. If one or more of these will apply to you, you are likely to gain weight:

1. Culture shock, not enjoying life in Japan, and/or the depression that may come with this keeps you inside your house more than outside.

2. A diet of "comfort" food from back home - Western fast food, pizza, etc.

3. A lifestyle that involves a lot of drinking.

Most of the people that I know have lost weight in Japan. Those that haven't, almost always had some combination of the above apply to them.

WWA
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Laura C



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard too about the 'men lose weight, women put it on' theory. But when I was here the first time I lost about 5 kilos over the course of the year. I was drinking a fair bit on weekends too. I think for me it was partly due to the fact that this was my first full-time job -- getting up early every day, and worrying about doing a whole new job -- probably stressed me out a bit. Plus, while I usually do eat quite healthily, there wasn't the same variety of snacks in Japan that I liked at home.

It's not true for everyone though -- my female colleague put on about 10 kilos in her year here. For her it was sitting at home every night watching videos and eating -- she said it was through boredom. I think culture shock and comfort eating can definitely make someone eat more.

I've been here this time round for 4 months now and have probably lost a few pounds. While I like Japanese food (and Thai, Mexican, Italian and all the other cuisines here), I just don't seem to have as big an appetite here as at home. I find that my stomach gets upset quite often here and seems to be more sensitive -- does anyone else get this?

L
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nomadder



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes comfort food is a big one.

Eating from pure boredom if you're social life isn't so great.

Drinking more from boredom or stress.

Getting home at 9 or later and then having a full meal, often quickie(fattening) stuff because you're too tired to cook properly.

If you're trying to save money food seems like a more affordable treat than big ticket items.
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Celeste



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that a lot of women ALTs put on weight when they eat elementary school lunch. Kyushoku at the elementary schools is a somewhat high fat, high calorie formulation for little people who run around on the playground half the day. A hint: don't drink the milk(full fat milk), and cut the rice portion in half(often people give the ALTs a huge helping of rice out of kindness).

Like others I too have lost weight in Japan, but for me it was on purpose. When I had lived in Korea before, I went through some depression and a largely sedentary lifestyle and gained weight. I was determined not to let that happen here, so I bought a bike, joined a gym, and watched what I ate (ie no fast food, no chips, no ice cream) and I have lost 25kg in 2 years here. My husband has also lost a lot of weight.
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Ajia



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, thanks to all of you for sharing your experiences. I was just curious because I can be a bit obsessed about my weight and health at times. I'd like to consider myself in shape and hope to stay that way after moving there this month. I plan on looking for a gym to join and definitely avoiding those foods Celeste had mentioned.

Did any of you go through a "depression" period immediately after arrival or did it take a while to settle in?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did any of you go through a "depression" period immediately after arrival or did it take a while to settle in?


Personally, I've never felt it. Everyone is different, but there is a general trend toward settling into a new culture. Fascination is the first step. I think culture shock/depression/isolation is the next.

A lot of factors are involved:

-your age
-whether you have lived away from your parents or hometown, and in what type of environment it was (compared to your hometown)
-how much you have experienced foreign cultures
-how you have experienced foreign cultures (homestay, tourist trip, etc.)
-how well you have prepared for the adventure (including reading about the culture as well as learning the language)
-where you go (rural vs. urban environment)
-what type of support system you have in Japan (whether it's your company or a phone card back home to Mom)

There is a thread on www.gaijinpot.com about a person who "freaked out" 6 hours after landing here!
http://www.gaijinpot.com/forums/read.php?f=33&i=10495&t=10495
Aside from the cr@p that was doled out, it provided some insight to those who may not have ever been here. Two messages that he/she wrote about why included the following:

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For those who asked, what freaked me out within six hours was as follows: 1) I hadnt slept in three days, 2) I did in fact have some nasty food poisoning (and did see a doctor with a very nice female Japanese translator from my company) 3) I couldnt figure out the telephones to call anyone from home and 4) I was in Japan and experiencing some pretty severe culture shock.


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I'm a little surprised that a few people seem genuinely(?) confused as to why I experienced (and to be honest, am still experiencing) culture shock. Japan is a very different country from most Western countries. But let me run down the major points for you:

1) All of the people look different from me, and they are racially homogenous. I am not used to seeing virtually no one who looks like me, nor am I used to seeing only one kind of person as opposed to a diversity of different races. It is a visually (and emotionally) very different experience. Sometimes it is just comforting to see someone who looks like you, and like your family, or just looks different in some way. Sometimes those super tan girls with the dyed blond hair and crazy eye makeup make me really happy just because they are a change of pace.

2) It's not just the people. The buildings look different, the cars look different, the food looks different, the sense of style is different. Quite simply, it does not look the same as it looks at home. I come from a very green place, and the extreme scarcity of trees and especially grass was difficult for me. The food is different, and not only can that be an adjustment psychologically, but your body may need to adjust as well and indigestion does not help your mental state.

3) No one speaks my language. Of course that's overstating it, and some people speak English. But most people aren't speaking it on the street and if you ask something in English you're as likely to receive a blank stare as not. I've tried to learn as much Japanese as I could and am still working at it, but it is not practically very functional and most of the time I feel unable to communicate my needs or solve problems. This made and makes me feel helpless, especially when something needs to get done immediately and you're clueless.

4) People stare at you. Every day. All the time. I don't like a lot of personal attention, and I don't enjoy being stared at by 2 out of every 3 people I pass on the street. Some days I just want to bike down to the convenience store and grab a snack, but if I'm feeling crappy I don't always want to face what can feel like a sea of staring, judging eyes. Sometimes you just want to be anonymous, and you cannot ever be.

5) When I came I didn't know how to use the phones, the subway, how to buy a train ticket, how to order food at a restaurant, etc. I didn't know how the various systems worked, nor did I know how to find out without a lot of bother for myself and others. Over time you can ask your coworkers and other foreigners with experience, but initially it's difficult to feel unable to call home, transport yourself anywhere, or get a hot meal without an ordeal. Again, you feel helpless and frustrated.

6) It is really, really hot right now. I do not come from a very hot place, and the heat here has been oppressive, to say the least. It makes me feel nauseous most of the time, and I sweat constantly. Again, my heart will go on and all, but feeling like a frying egg did not help me get all psyched up about being in Japan.

7) This is the simplest, but probably the most important. The people I love are not here. My parents, my friends, my significant other-- everyone I love is very far away, and I have never, ever experienced that before. I live in a small, close-knit community and saw almost everyone I cared about every single day for my whole life.

Like most of the other points, you could say (and I'm sure at least one of you will) Gee, didn't you expect that you would miss your family/people would speakJapanese/things would look different/etc.. Yeah! Of course. That's part of why I wanted to come. I'm sure in the future some of the stuff that gets under my skin now will be part of why I love Japan later and look back on it fondly when I return home. That doesn't mean that in the first two weeks of living here that it isn't hard, that I'm not lonely, that I don't feel alienated.

I'm quite aware that I signed up for this, and that like most things in life I'm going to have to work at it and that sometimes it is going to suck, and other times it will be brilliant and like nothing I've ever experienced before. I did this, partly, to challenge myself, and I'm not asking anyone to cry me a river, I'm just being honest about the fact that it IS a challenge, and a very serious one at times.

Maybe not everyone felt that way when they got to Japan, and if so more power to you, but I bet there are a lot of people out there who understand, or understood, exactly how I feel.
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worldwidealive



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Glenski and think all of his points are very valid on this one.

I never felt it myself, but I have seen people that are experiencing their first time in a foreign country, especially a long-term stay, have a difficult time. It really depends on you and your individual situation when you get here. Preparation is important - get off the plane witout the right state of mind and you might find that the adventure will no longer seem so romantic. I've known some to leave Japan within a few weeks of arriving and of course, obviously, some who never go "home".

There are so many newbies that say they want to live in a rural area to avoid the "big cities". While I agree with their motives, this may be the most difficult thing to do if you aren't prepared for it.

WWA
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blue jay



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Glenski for posting the culture shock thread. I felt many of those things when I first arrived in Japan. I think living in a foreign country affects different people differently. When I lived in Germany & Mexico I never really felt that intense culture shock that I felt in Japan.

Point #'s 1, 4 & 7 of his post really ring true on how I felt when I was in Japan. I agree with you that reading as much as you can about living in Japan can really help. The factors that you wrote are indeed very important: especially about having a good support system in place & how much experience you have living in other countries.

Again I appreciate you posting that. I was thinking of posting a list of books about Japan. I'll have to do that in my next post.

Thanks again.
blue jay
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Brooks



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I definitely have gained weight in Japan.
I have to work six days a week, I sit too much, and I drink beer.
I do work out but I have to work out more.
Working out just one day a week is not enough.
Probably if I just gave up alcohol I could lose 5 kg. (gradually of course).

When I lived in Morocco I walked a lot and didn`t drink much beer because it was hard to find and I didn`t have much money.
So, in Morocco I was in much better shape.
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David W



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Celeste wrote:
I know that a lot of women ALTs put on weight when they eat elementary school lunch. Kyushoku at the elementary schools is a somewhat high fat, high calorie formulation for little people who run around on the playground half the day. A hint: don't drink the milk(full fat milk), and cut the rice portion in half(often people give the ALTs a huge helping of rice out of kindness).

.

One of my students told me that one of the reasons she didn't like her son's teacher was because at lunch-time she wouldn't eat all her lunch while the kids had to. Seems as if the teachers have to set a good example for the kids. So drink ya bloody milk Celeste Wink Very Happy
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ContemporaryDog



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have definitely gained weight in China, for three main reasons:

- Less easy to exercise. I swam a lot in the UK, and the pool here is filthy, I wouldn't go near it. I can jog on the track outside the school but it gets monotonous

- Eating so much. I have never eaten as much in Britain as I have here

- Drinking beer. Its cheap.
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