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currentaffairs
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2nd medical in KSA: blood and urine test.
Once you are actually in the medical centre it usually takes less than 30 mins. Most employers get it done within a week of you arriving.. Iqama can take around one month (or more) to be processed. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: TQ Visa |
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| honorarycheesehead wrote: |
| But the residency permit process with TQ would be conducted while you are already in KSA on the business visa. Even the expatriate guidebook posted in the sticky at the top of this forum makes mention of this process. |
Be aware that the guidelines per the Ministry of Labor Guidebook for Expatriates are applicable to expats who arrive in country via an employment visa. Anyone heading to KSA on any type of visit visa (e.g., business visit visa or work visit visa) or temporary work visa is not granted the right to work as an employee of a Saudi sponsor nor take up permanent residency (via an iqama) in the Kingdom. That is, they're not bona fide employees of their sponsor and thus, are not afforded the protection of the law if a labor dispute with said sponsor arises. Worse, they're considered as working illegally. |
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honorarycheesehead
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| Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| currentaffairs wrote: |
| To be clear - you need to get the iqama process going while you are in your home country. You have to do the medical and it has to be in your home country. You have a second medical in KSA, anyway. |
the first medical in your home country is for the business visa to be issued by the embassy there. That gets you into the country. The second medical once you are in country is for the iqama. You cannot begin the iqama process until you are here.
There is no reason on earth why the iqama process cannot begin immediately. My contractor starts the process within 24 hours of arrival and we receive our iqamas within 10-14 days after that. If they are telling you it takes 3 months, they are telling a big fat lie, Pearson or no Pearson. |
In that case, it's only a lie in the favor of the employee; something that one would think takes a much longer time is actually done much more quickly. Strictly speaking, it may be a "lie," but it's not one that flatters them. |
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SaabFanatic
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: No problem |
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| bertonneau wrote: |
| SPSP just does this. I and 25 other teachers just came over with SESP on business visas. Saudi Electric Corporation and all did this. It's standard practice and with any government based company you will have no problems. SPSP as well as SESP are both government training schools you should have no problems. My buddy works at SPSP through TQ and enjoys it for Saudi. |
It is good that it worked out for you with SESP. In current news, those on Business Visas (AND Iqamas) are/have been intentionally locked out of the Kingdom by SESP.
Just in April, SESP locked out two South African teachers who were on a 1 day trip to Bahrain to (supposedly) "renew their Business Visas".
In that case, SESP:
(a) let them leave the country to "renew their business visas" with only a single bag each for the (supposedly) same day round trip
(b) refused to help them back into the Kingdom after they were denied re-entry by Immigration, and then
(c) completely ignored them even after they returned home to South
Africa two days later with only the clothes on their backs!
SESP never even made an effort to help them recover their things that were left in Saudi Arabia...
And again, these are not the only ones. Even those with Iqamas have been INTENTIONALLY locked out of the Kingdom by SESP as recently as a month and a half ago.
Here is some current info on SESP as it pertains to business visas and other things:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=115076 |
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Balzac
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: No problem |
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| SaabFanatic wrote: |
| bertonneau wrote: |
| SPSP just does this. I and 25 other teachers just came over with SESP on business visas. Saudi Electric Corporation and all did this. It's standard practice and with any government based company you will have no problems. SPSP as well as SESP are both government training schools you should have no problems. My buddy works at SPSP through TQ and enjoys it for Saudi. |
It is good that it worked out for you with SESP. In current news, those on Business Visas (AND Iqamas) are/have been intentionally locked out of the Kingdom by SESP.
Just in April, SESP locked out two South African teachers who were on a 1 day trip to Bahrain to (supposedly) "renew their Business Visas".
In that case, SESP:
(a) let them leave the country to "renew their business visas" with only a single bag each for the (supposedly) same day round trip
(b) refused to help them back into the Kingdom after they were denied re-entry by Immigration, and then
(c) completely ignored them even after they returned home to South
Africa two days later with only the clothes on their backs!
SESP never even made an effort to help them recover their things that were left in Saudi Arabia...
And again, these are not the only ones. Even those with Iqamas have been INTENTIONALLY locked out of the Kingdom by SESP as recently as a month and a half ago.
Here is some current info on SESP as it pertains to business visas and other things:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=115076 |
Thanks for sharing. I feel very lucky to have escaped the clutches of this organization. They sound like they are now an appalling company to work for.
Why isn't anyone taking them on and going through the Saudi Labour courts? Despite perceived wisdom, the Saudi Labour courts are often only too willing to investigate matters as grave as these and which bring the kingdom into disrepute among the expat community.
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scot47
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| .............and some posters insist on saying that they "prefer a business visa" ! |
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Balzac
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| honorarycheesehead wrote: |
| Strictly speaking, it may be a "lie," but it's not one that flatters them. |
Is there ever an instance where a lie flatters anyone? Discuss 
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I-forgot
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: No problem |
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[quote="Balzac"]
Why isn't anyone taking them on and going through the Saudi Labour courts? Despite perceived wisdom, the Saudi Labour courts are often only too willing to investigate matters as grave as these and which bring the kingdom into disrepute among the expat community.
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Because the Labour court is a long and slow bureaucratic process and requires a lawyer and, for many people, a translator.
The courts usually do side with employees but don't have much in the way of teeth. They can impose fines but usually settle for ordering payments to the employee. It can take a while for it to be enforced.
Yes, I am one of the few that prefer a business visa! |
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Balzac
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:22 am Post subject: Re: No problem |
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| I-forgot wrote: |
| Balzac wrote: |
Why isn't anyone taking them on and going through the Saudi Labour courts? Despite perceived wisdom, the Saudi Labour courts are often only too willing to investigate matters as grave as these and which bring the kingdom into disrepute among the expat community.
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Because the Labour court is a long and slow bureaucratic process and requires a lawyer and, for many people, a translator.
The courts usually do side with employees but don't have much in the way of teeth. They can impose fines but usually settle for ordering payments to the employee. It can take a while for it to be enforced.
Yes, I am one of the few that prefer a business visa! |
Actually not always. I know of two recent cases where complaints were made to the Labour Office and a resolution forthcoming inside 2 weeks.
I think you and people like you who are messed around by unprofessional companies would get more sympathy if you at least tried rather than not bothering and complaining on these boards.
Yes it can be frustrating but not doing anything at all within a legal framework, one which is often sympathetic to expats, renders you always the loser. Better to try and fail than to never have tried at all IMHO. What have you got to lose?
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SaabFanatic
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: No problem |
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| Why isn't anyone taking them on and going through the Saudi Labour courts? |
People have taken them to the Labor Courts. Usually, that only results in the immediate issue being fixed and then SESP doubles (and trebles) down on retaliations. Eventually, SESP "wins" one way or another.
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Actually not always. I know of two recent cases where complaints were made to the Labour Office and a resolution forthcoming inside 2 weeks.
I think you and people like you who are messed around by unprofessional companies would get more sympathy if you at least tried rather than not bothering and complaining on these boards.
Yes it can be frustrating but not doing anything at all within a legal framework, one which is often sympathetic to expats, renders you always the loser. Better to try and fail than to never have tried at all IMHO. What have you got to lose? |
Again, sometimes cases are successfully resolved through the MOL. But again, a new "problem" usually develops, the employee is tortured in various ways, and inevitably they are not re-signed anyways.
And what has an employee got to lose?
I've outlined many of the ways that SESP will retaliate against workers even after the company instigated the issue. There are many more ways as well.
Theoretically, you could end up in jail.
The Head of Human Resources, "M.A" just last month threatened to report a worker who had completed their contract but not yet done their Final Exit to Immigration for "refusing leaving the country".
This was after he targeted the worker for not responding properly to interests shown during a closed meeting that took place earlier.
Can you imagine the worker going to the MOL about the unwanted attention?
Alternatively, what good would it do to report the threat (re: Immigration) to the MOL?
Once a complaint was made to the MOL, instead of Final Exiting within a matter of weeks, the worker could instead then be held in the country for months while SESP (as they do) ignores the hearing dates and the case (very slowly) winds its way through the courts.
Sometimes, they best one can do is to warn others of the danger.
As I've stated many times, SESP is to be avoided until the Managing Director, Dr. K, and the Head of Human Resources, "M.A." are given their walking papers.
Saudi Electric Service Polytechnic (SESP) will not be safe until that time. |
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