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After a While, Living in the Kanto Area is Dull, Isn't It?
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Black_Beer_Man



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2016 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and fewer taxpayers. And that means they'll cut ALT positions in public schools or hire teachers from non-English speaking countries.
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2016 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I think that the private schools can afford native teachers in the future or the better public ones too, but absolutely the desire to cut costs will be strong.
That means more limited contracts, so as to avoid giving raises.
Even Japanese teachers can be on limited contracts.

Older teachers (around 60 or older) will be asked to take early retirement. Those that don't could be given extra, petty work in order to piss them off in order to get them to leave.
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Shakey



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mitsui wrote:
Well, I think that the private schools can afford native teachers in the future or the better public ones too, but absolutely the desire to cut costs will be strong.
That means more limited contracts, so as to avoid giving raises.
Even Japanese teachers can be on limited contracts.

Older teachers (around 60 or older) will be asked to take early retirement. Those that don't could be given extra, petty work in order to piss them off in order to get them to leave.


It depends on location and how qualified and professionally connected the instructor is, too. A qualified instructor who has a good professional network and in a region where there are still a lot of universities can still earn a descent living teaching part-time in their later years. Even in more rural areas, if the teacher can drive then they can still teach part-time at several colleges. It's not ideal, but many make it work.

Limited and non-renewable beyond the 5th-year contracts appear to be the norm now for most appointments at universities in Japan. Unless one is either female or has a very special and sought after research focus.

Let's face it though, the TEFL industry at all levels in Japan has been circling the drain for at least the last decade. It is a new era. Japan is not the ideal TEFL destination it once was. Instead, TEFL teachers have to be flexible and they need to go to where the demand for English teachers is. That demand is no longer in Japan. For example, go to China or Korea since demand is still high and schools often provide accommodation and airfare to instructors in those countries.

But Japan is the last place I would recommend aspiring TEFL teachers to come and teach, especially to those who are unqualified and hold no advanced training, certificates or degrees in education or language teaching. There is nothing but abusive employers and bottom of the barrel jobs to be had TEFL'ing in Japan for most applicants.
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Black_Beer_Man



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was talking with an ex-recruiter last night and he said most recruiters and big name language schools have no reason to raise salaries because the ESL market is weak and there are so many teachers hunting for work.

The big language schools don't hesitate to fire teachers for any reason at all. In fact, they prefer a high turnover of teachers to maintain that "fresh look" with new faces in their schools. They'll hang on to teachers who are exceptional or super popular with the students.

Then, on the other hand, it does work both ways. Many new teachers use these major language schools to get over to Japan, and then quit after 3 months to go to a better employer. However, with the soft job market these days in Japan, if you do that, you'll have to hustle to find a slightly better job.
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I heard of a university in Kanagawa where teachers can stay up to 10 years but contracts can get renewed after five.
I think it is a poison pill, since what will teachers do after that?
I think some teachers really do not plan their future, especially if they are single or the spouse is not Japanese. But maybe then it matters less.

The other thing is this school is odd. It used to be 8 years, then six, then five, now ten? How can anyone trust them to keep their word?

Also I heard of a high school in Tokyo doing this so ten years must be a new pattern.
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theoriginalprankster



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to read this thread.

I've never worked or lived in Japan, but did at one stage desire to. The recruiter was honest - he did say I would probably save very little, and the start-up costs were high.

That was after I had taught in Taiwan for three years (2003-05).

Settled on Xiamen in China. An island-city of about 3 million. It was not as good as Taiwan (nowhere in the mainland will ever be), but it was good. I had a uni job, was an IELTS examiner, made plenty of money and had lots of free time to spend at the beach, or hop on a plane to an Asian destination.

In the first three years at the uni I had to take a bus-ferry-bus to work at the second campus. That was exhausting, but always had a seat. The next two years I was never more than 15 minutes from home to classroom, by bus, bicycle or on foot.

I decided to try out Shanghai. I would guess SH is similar to Tokyo. Crowded, busy, iPhone addicts everywhere. Not my cup of tea. I need nature, and will find a smaller city in China or elsewhere in Asia after this contract.

Still want to visit Japan though, perhaps Okinawa.
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Shakey



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theoriginalprankster wrote:
I decided to try out Shanghai. I would guess SH is similar to Tokyo. Crowded, busy, iPhone addicts everywhere. Not my cup of tea. I need nature, and will find a smaller city in China or elsewhere in Asia after this contract.

Still want to visit Japan though, perhaps Okinawa.


Are you teaching at the university level in Shanghai? I never go over to the China forum on Dave's, maybe I should. I'm curious to know what university TEFL teaching conditions are like in China. I guess it's a crap shoot, though.

Yeah, you're better off taking a short vacation to Japan. Hit some expat pubs in Tokyo or Nagoya and talk to teachers. You'd get a really honest and up-to-date summary of what TEFL'ing in Japan is truly like - and it is not good.
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theoriginalprankster



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are you teaching at the university level in Shanghai? I never go over to the China forum on Dave's, maybe I should. I'm curious to know what university TEFL teaching conditions are like in China. I guess it's a crap shoot, though.


Uni jobs range from utter shite, where you are more or less a slave, to quite pleasant.

Pay rarely exceeds RMB8000/m, with accommodation and flights thrown in.

I was teaching eight 90 minute classes in my last two years, pretty relaxed. Supplemented it by IELTS examining, and the occasional two month contract with the local airline.

Was on about 300,000 Japanese Yen (after tax) in the last couple years.

Now in SH I work for an education company. I spend about 30 hours in the office, and 10 hours teaching 6th and 7th graders. Salary: 350,000 (after tax).

Would take a pay drop to be in a smaller city, closer to nature with a better work-life balance.

It seems Japan's ESL/ELT market is bottoming out, while China's is growing. Only issue is - you have to deal with the Chinese on a daily basis.
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