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What is considered a good salary/package in China?
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Tazz



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In reality some of these 7-8k a month Uni positions are pretty lousy in terms of workload and money. Several neighbors opted out and work at the local [private?] middle/high schools and salary is 11-12k a month...What really gets to me is the rather pitiful 'chipping away' at the salary that seems to go on-computers but no internet provided, teachers in the campus apartments have to pay.....'limited' amount of electricity allowed per month before we have to pay......apartments furnished but if anything breaks/wears out we have to pay....in the end the 8k monthly salary materialises as 6.5 paid into the bank at the end of the month. Sad
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'workload' is typically 14 to 18 contact hours pw at a public uni or vocational.
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Foremost



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding the EDB NET, I don't see anything on their website regarding age restrictions. Am I missing it? Do they hire across the age range, or like JET, do they tend to hire mostly recent uni grads? I note all seven pay grades require only 1 year of post-grad teaching.
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Jmbf



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foremost wrote:
Regarding the EDB NET, I don't see anything on their website regarding age restrictions. Am I missing it? Do they hire across the age range, or like JET, do they tend to hire mostly recent uni grads? I note all seven pay grades require only 1 year of post-grad teaching.


60 years old is the general retirement age although exceptions exist. Current teachers on the scheme who reach 60 can apply for a special extension but a.) it's rare to be granted such an extension and b.) I don't think it applies to new hires.

http://www.edb.gov.hk/attachment/en/sch-admin/admin/about-sch-staff/net-scheme/Circular_letter_Extension_of_Service_of_NET_2016_17.pdf
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Foremost



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good news. Thank you.

Perhaps you can help explain the Qualifications Assessment Report from the HKCAAVQ.

a. Is this required of all academic credentials, or only teaching licenses?

b. Must this Report be included with the application package, or may it be submitted at a later date?
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Jmbf



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foremost wrote:
Good news. Thank you.

Perhaps you can help explain the Qualifications Assessment Report from the HKCAAVQ.

a. Is this required of all academic credentials, or only teaching licenses?

b. Must this Report be included with the application package, or may it be submitted at a later date?


I'm not sure about this. I've never dealt with them directly, I've only heard about other posters needing to get their distance teaching degrees validated through the HKCAAVQ and it taking some time. Perhaps posting over on the HK forum would help?
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Foremost



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for taking the time to reply, Jmbf. I wrote to the bureau directly and they have replied that the QAR is not required in the initial application package.
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The bear



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This question crops up every now and then.

What it usually boils down to is 'it depends'. One man's meat is another man's poison, horses for courses, etc.

I'm working for what many would consider a poor deal, some would even question why I accepted the position given my experience/qualifications (5th year in China, MA TESOL, CELTA) But again, it suited my aims for this year.

So the job...5,500 a month (about 5,100 after tax), 10 teaching hours a week (actually 7.5 hours a week), oral English only (no homework to mark), no office hours or additional duties, all utilities included, over 2 months holiday for Spring Festival, big apartment in the city centre.

To me, it's a good package given my aims for this year.

Next year will be a different kettle of fish. But for this year...I just want to relax.
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getbehindthemule



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with The bear, people come to live and work here for numerous reasons. Some to build a career, some to work hard and save, others the opposite (low hours and travel) with loads in between.
Personally, what's key to me (more so than salary) at the moment:
1. Long holidays (9 months a year is enough, enough I say)
2. Paid holidays, accom + airfare allowance.
3. A reasonably relaxed working environment (with little to no homework to mark).
I'm the more that I have the more that I spend kind of person for the most part...and I chose this gig primarily as a means to travel and to experience a different culture Smile
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creeper1



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just don't get what people do with all the free time. Especially if you are in a tier 3 city.

Do tier 3 cities even have a Starbucks?

And more importantly could you afford to buy a coffee?

BORING!

What are you doing with the free time?
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Alien abductee



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

creeper1 wrote:
I just don't get what people do with all the free time. Especially if you are in a tier 3 city.

Do tier 3 cities even have a Starbucks?

And more importantly could you afford to buy a coffee?

BORING!

What are you doing with the free time?

Who cares what people in tier 3 cities do with their free time? If they like living there then there's obviously some attraction for them. Your profile says you're in Beijing. Has anyone asked you how you could possibly live in a place that often has the atmospheric conditions of a gas chamber? LIFE-THREATENING! Laughing
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getbehindthemule



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

creeper1 wrote:
I just don't get what people do with all the free time. Especially if you are in a tier 3 city.

BORING!

What are you doing with the free time?


I take it your comment is directed to The bear but I'll bite anyway...

One word I wouldn't use to describe living here is BORING, although I do live in Shanghai. I'm here 3 years and it still feels new and exciting to me. I love the vibe here. During the long holidays I leave China for a time, having the freedom to do this is bliss!
I presume that people living in Tier 3 Citys have other interests to pursue that don't involve working their asses off.
Personally, when not travelling, I love to explore the city at weekends trying all the different types of food joints from local hole in the wall to Dongbei to Teppanyaki to Vietnamese to Western. Meeting up with friends, grabbing a beer, watching football, etc. I also love just waklking about as you never know what you might see on any given day!
These days, midweek after work, I'm very happy to chill in my apartment with internet, games and movies to be honest. Having a Chinese gf I sometimes crave BORING free time Wink
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The bear



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

creeper1 wrote:
I just don't get what people do with all the free time. Especially if you are in a tier 3 city.

Do tier 3 cities even have a Starbucks?

And more importantly could you afford to buy a coffee?

BORING!

What are you doing with the free time?


Meah, horses for courses as I said. I love having the free time to do what I want, whatever that may be. Watch a film, practise Chinese, exercise, go out with friends. Anything.

You call my lifestyle boring, I call it fulfilling. At least I don't see the need to insult your way of life.

Tier 3s are just starting to get Starbucks, though I'd avoid that place, not my type of thing.
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tazz wrote:
Several neighbors opted out and work at the local [private?] middle/high schools and salary is 11-12k a month..(


Do you mean that they finished their contracts then moved on to another school in the same city?
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Markness



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

weigookin74 wrote:
Jmbf wrote:
Shookran wrote:
a new car and a modern, new 2-bed apartment (cost: equivalent of 3 months salary). All mod cons. Lovely life-style. 20-25 hr working week. Beautiful climate.


As far as I'm aware a lifestyle combining all the factors you mentioned above isn't possible in China. If you are set on going to China you will have to adjust your expectations a bit. An international school position should provide a reasonably comfortable lifestyle but you will most likely be working more hours and have to deal with pollution and other issues.

Alternatively you could consider Hong Kong. A position at a secondary school on the EDB NET scheme will fulfil most of your requirements.


I'm sure a lot of places in China probably still can't get a teacher. So, international schools prob would hire a non certified but maybe experienced ESL teacher. Might not be in the best location, but you could prob wing it and make some decent coin. You'd no doubt have to work harder than your typical ESL gig.


^ Yo

I am on a decent amount right now, about 16k for 3.5 mornings of work. Only thing is that you need to be able to do IELTS/TOEFL/SAT or IB. Salary caps out at 25k a month, so I am planning on negotiating for another 4k a month after my next contract because they keep making me sign 2-year contracts. Anything is possible here!
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