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desertfox
Joined: 14 Jun 2015 Posts: 120
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:34 am Post subject: |
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A teacher's relationship with his/her HOD or supervisor is a moot point because it impacts directly, in my experience, on a situation where you have a team of teachers, some more qualified, some less so.
I have observed over the years in the Middle East that those who are more challenged in the field of having adequate qualifications, seek to ensure their relative job security in alternative ways.
In other words, those who have less qualifications are more likely, I would argue, to cultivate relationships with management. Whereas those who more self confidently know who they are and what they are doing, don't need to go down that road. Or are less likely to.
The name given these days is "networking." Many years ago it was called "crawling," or more colorful phrasal verbs were employed.
I am not saying it is always the case, but there is a tendency for that to occur. Especially in Saudi where personal desperation is not unknown. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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desertfox wrote: |
The name given these days is "networking." Many years ago it was called "crawling," or more colorful phrasal verbs were employed. |
Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "networking." It has nothing to do with your relationship to your current management.
Networking is most commonly used to describe what you use to get a new position to get away from your current management.
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Desert Dueller
Joined: 20 Jul 2015 Posts: 45 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:34 pm Post subject: job market in saudi arabia |
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Networking: interact with other people to exchange information and develop contacts, especially to further one's career.
All of the above applies when you "network" within your place of work - including management - in order to establish a good, better or special relationship with superiors, possibly in order to progress on the career ladder or simply to protect your career interests by trying to retain your current job. It's all part of developing contacts. Furthering one's career may well include extending one's current status quo. |
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desertfox
Joined: 14 Jun 2015 Posts: 120
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Desert Dueller - I'm obliged for your comprehensive definition.... |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:56 am Post subject: |
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leggeymountbatten wrote: |
As is the suggestion to upgrade qualifications. The problem is that the clock is very much ticking, and it is not always possible to take the necessary "time out" to upgrade. |
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As others have said, his degree in Anthropology is largely worthless in his present job unless a reading exercise comes up where he will have to explain the philosophies of Margaret Mead or Emile Durkheim! He has to ask himself, as mentioned above, why he didn't improve his attractiveness to potential employers by adding more qualifications and skills to his CV. I would suggest that perhaps it's too late now. |
Prospective employers will wonder why he didn't bump his qualifications to a related MA or at least a Delta, instead, choosing to skate by over the years with minimal credentials. He decided to make TEFLing his career path, so the excuse that it's not always possible to take a "time out to upgrade" for professional development purposes is simply that: an excuse. Employers will compare his CV against other job applicants who made time to pursue an MA.
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:12 am Post subject: Re: job market in saudi arabia |
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Desert Dueller wrote: |
Networking: interact with other people to exchange information and develop contacts, especially to further one's career. |
That obviously does NOT refer to your relationship with your current managers.
It is NOT a synonym for brown nosing... in spite of your odd interpretations.
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desertfox
Joined: 14 Jun 2015 Posts: 120
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:51 am Post subject: |
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nomad soul wrote:
"Prospective employers will wonder why he didn't bump his qualifications to a related MA or at least a Delta, instead, choosing to skate by over the years with minimal credentials. He decided to make TEFLing his career path, so the excuse that it's not always possible to take a "time out to upgrade" for professional development purposes is simply that: an excuse. Employers will compare his CV against other job applicants who made time to pursue an MA."
We don't know why this individual never upgraded his qualifications, there could be a variety of reasons.
However, it does rather reinforce the previous point that people seek alternative ways to protect and enhance their job prospects ie cultivate a relationship with management.
Qualifications are for life, relationships can be transient. It's no way to plan for the future, particularly if one has dependents. |
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desertfox
Joined: 14 Jun 2015 Posts: 120
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:00 am Post subject: Re: job market in saudi arabia |
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veiledsentiments wrote: |
Desert Dueller wrote: |
Networking: interact with other people to exchange information and develop contacts, especially to further one's career. |
That obviously does NOT refer to your relationship with your current managers.
It is NOT a synonym for brown nosing... in spite of your odd interpretations.
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"odd interpretations" as you say are subject to common usage, and are often culturally bound. "Two countries separated by a common language," and all that ...
It's best not to be too pedantic in these things. As long as one gets the drift, that's the main point. |
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Balzac

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 266
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:26 am Post subject: Re: job market in saudi arabia |
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desertfox,
veiledsentiments wrote: |
It's best not to be too pedantic in these things. As long as one gets the drift, that's the main point. |
I get it
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Desert Dueller
Joined: 20 Jul 2015 Posts: 45 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:53 pm Post subject: job market in saudi arabia |
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[That obviously does NOT refer to your relationship with your current managers.
It is NOT a synonym for brown nosing... in spite of your odd interpretations. quote]
Yes, it does. And brown nosing may or not be part of one's networking activities. Maybe "ingratiating oneself" is a more appropriate term.
Capitalizing negatives is indicative of having lost the argument.[/quote] |
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leggeymountbatten
Joined: 11 Mar 2016 Posts: 74
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: job market in saudi arabia |
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Balzac wrote: |
leggeymountbatten wrote: |
I have a friend who only has a BA degree in anthropology from Oxford-Brooks University in the UK. He is teaching at the moment in a CoE college in Saudi, but believes he will be terminated at least within the next year. |
If he feels this, he must know the spotlight is on him and perhaps for good reason. Good relationships with HoDs are useful but have a limited shelf life. HoDs are not immune to culls in the Saudi system either as there are a lot of changes going on with the oil price drop and department heads can easily be replaced if they are expensive and a cheaper alternative can be found.
Is your friend pulling his weight? Is he one of those TEFLers who always volunteers for tasks that need to be done, or is he a shirker, hiding in the wings, content to be handing out tea and biscuits rather than roll his sleeves up? Does he put in the hours, or does he swan off to Starbucks for an afternoon latte while his class conjugates a few verbs?
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He has a TESOL Certificate of course and is in his 50's. The job market is Saudi has become increasingly difficult. He has been in his present post for some years but fears for his future prospects once he is asked to leave. |
As others have said, his degree in Anthropology is largely worthless in his present job unless a reading exercise comes up where he will have to explain the philosophies of Margaret Mead or Emile Durkheim! He has to ask himself, as mentioned above, why he didn't improve his attractiveness to potential employers by adding more qualifications and skills to his CV. I would suggest that perhaps it's too late now.
The central questions should be - what is he bringing to the table? What value is he adding to his present company? If he isn't really adding any value, then he should get out now with decent references before the chop comes. You never know when that will come, do you eh? It could be just around the corner.
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Under these circumstances, what is his best route back into work in Saudi once the chop comes? |
If he has been in KSA for a while, which you say he has, then it will be easy enough to get work with his experience. Just bear in mind that he will have to shoot lower and in more in keeping with his qualifications and the current state of the Saudi labour market. 10,000 - 13,000 SARs a month should be about right and ditch the posh compound if he has one.
At the end of the day, it's never too late to start living within one's means.
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Balzac - it is my understanding that my friend has just relocated to a rather expensive compound.
He is not a shirker as you put it, but somebody who operates probably too much under the radar. Yes, he does feel as if he is very much in the spotlight at the moment.
He feels as if he has been betrayed in a sense by the HOD of the English Dept. They have always enjoyed a close relationship as I said earlier, but issues at the college have come to a head.
The HOD is a TESOL Arabia expert. He actually founded the first TESOL Arabia Conference in the city where the college is located. Not a great success apparently, but he holds great store by it.
My friend is aware of his vulnerability on the qualifications issue. If he is shown the door, he is aware that he is likely to struggle in the job market. His concerns are made all the greater as he has a number of dependents to think of. It is not a situation one would wish on anybody.
He realizes that he was probably very fortunate in the first place to get the job he has now. Back then there wasn't such an arms race going in terms of qualifications. But times have changed, and push is now coming to shove. |
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Desert Dueller
Joined: 20 Jul 2015 Posts: 45 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:02 pm Post subject: job market in saudi arabia |
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Your friend's current situation is not unique. There's a lot of culling of under-qualified staff going on across the board in every industry in KSA. If he does get culled, there are always options in Europe as well (someone suggested China or Taiwan as well), in which case basic language skills in Spanish, French and German, for example, would come in handy. Does your friend have those?
Times are tough, especially with dependents, so a downgrade in living standards is probably unavoidable. What a shame, but such is life. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Saudi Arabia was one of the last places where it was possible to earn enough in a salary to support a family. In the rest of EFL-land the idea is simply not practical.
Saudi Arabia helped me support my family when I needed it. My younger daughter - soon to be 16 - was born there.
I have no grievances against the Kingdom or its people.
Special tanks to two really good employers - Saudi Arabian Airlines and KFUPM. |
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Balzac

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 266
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:20 am Post subject: Re: job market in saudi arabia |
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Desert Dueller wrote: |
Your friend's current situation is not unique. There's a lot of culling of under-qualified staff going on across the board in every industry in KSA. |
Yes the Saudis have been culling a lot and I have heard a lot of westerners, sometimes a large part of an established department, have been removed and replaced by Saudis. It's the future as we all know.
Desert Dueller wrote: |
If he does get culled, there are always options in Europe as well (someone suggested China or Taiwan as well), in which case basic language skills in Spanish, French and German, for example, would come in handy. Does your friend have those? |
If he has, great. Alternatively some S E Asian languages? Thai? Tagalog? Anything that helps make up the low end qualifications will help and of course an ability to network, or as I like to call it, brown nosing I get the feeling your friend knows his way round in that department so he'll be fine.
Desert Dueller wrote: |
Times are tough, especially with dependents, so a downgrade in living standards is probably unavoidable. What a shame, but such is life. |
No need to be downbeat and sullen. There's always opportunities if you're looking in the right place and have the right expectations! Just be prepared to roll your sleeves up and do your fair share.
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Lord T
Joined: 07 Jul 2015 Posts: 285
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:41 am Post subject: |
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You know the industry is changing when middle-class chaps from the Home Counties are now expected to have qualifications and speak an oriental language or two. |
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