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joe30
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| suphanburi wrote: |
If you are not going back to the UK and don't worry / want to teach in a UK state school then the point is moot.
In Asia, as an example, anyone who can teach high school Physics classes is in high demand.
Having a university issued certificate in teacher training (whether PGCE, PGCEi, DipT, Dip.Ed, etc) coupled with a bachelor and master degree in a field related to physics/engineering/maths, even without home country licensure, IS SUFFICIENT to get your foot in the doors and get hired at all but the top level international schools (where home country licensure and experience are both required).
24-30 credit hours of classwork is sufficient (about 8-10 courses of about 45 hours duration each over 2 semesters). Typical required courses include the likes of "principles of teaching, assessment and evaluation, curriculum development, & classroom management" with additional optional classes / papers to fill out the required 24-30 credit hours.
Staying employed will depend on how well you do after you are hired.
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Yes, and this is why I suggested OP do the easiest course possible. The first tier internationals won't be interested, but they won't be interested regardless of which PGCEi he takes. The lower tier places will be, and the type of PGCEi won't be a deal breaker for these employers. Hence, take the cheapest and easiest course. |
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Londonlover
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Location: London
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There is another route to get licensed teacher status in the UK, without ever having taught in the UK. I posted about this route a few years ago, and it is likely to be the route that I'll follow, (since being a licensed teacher can open more doors than not).
The solution is to take the Diploma in Education and Training Level 5 DTLLS by distance learning. This 100% online course also requires that one records 100 hours of in-class teaching, as well as an extra 8 hours of observed teaching. (So here is the in-class component that the PGCEi lacks).
The course costs about $1,500. Having completed the course, which can be done in a few months, one can then apply to SET in the UK to be registered as a QTLS teacher (Qualified Teacher Learning & Skills), which is legally the same as QTS.
In case you think that this is a 'fake' route to getting licensed teacher status, SET and the course provider have both confirmed to me that this route to QTLS for a teacher working outside the UK is 100% legal.
Bear in mind that this gets you QTLS status, but if you want to work in a UK state school (who does?), you'll still need to do some UK in-class practicum. |
I'd be interested to know who is doing the observing on the 8 hours of observed teaching. Presumably it has to be someone officially connected with the DTLLS course examining body from the U.K. How does this work if you are doing the qualification distance learning in Asia? Would they pay for an examiner of a U.K. based qualification to travel out to Asia? Seems unlikely. |
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Hod
Joined: 28 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching ESL now, but maybe better to teach Physics |
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| Before I moved to Asia, I worked for many years in the electronics industry, and have a Physics-subject MSc from London University and a First Class Honours BSc in Electronics & Comms. Engineering from another London polytechnic. |
I just have a plain old BEng in Engineering from a plain old university, and I have to say go for it. You can always head back to TEFL or vice versa, a luxury that few of your teaching colleagues can afford. Your qualifications would get you noticed as a contractor in Europe right now, which I suspect isn't your goal, but the point is you have impressive qualifications and shouldn't feel confined to TEFLing. |
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simon44
Joined: 15 Mar 2013
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:09 am Post subject: |
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I'd be interested to know who is doing the observing on the 8 hours of observed teaching. Presumably it has to be someone officially connected with the DTLLS course examining body from the U.K.
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Nope, that is not required. The requirements are rather fluid, depending upon the training organisation that I sign up with. Basically, the observer has to be a senior teacher, with several years teaching experience, and who has previously performed such lesson observations. They will be required to sign an undertaking that they have in fact, observed my lessons.
But no, I don't have to pay for a DTLLS observer to come from the UK.
@Hod, thanks for your comments.
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You can always head back to TEFL or vice versa
Your qualifications would get you noticed as a contractor in Europe right now
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I guess that if I can offer experience in teaching Physics and ESL, then that can only be a bonus.
As for working as a contractor in Europe, I previously worked for 15 happy and well-paid years as a contractor in the satellite and telecoms sector. But I've moved on since then and have also spent many years building and managing small hotels in Thailand, in tandem with my teaching work. Thailand is now IMHO, going to the dogs and so I've stopped my hotel business and given myself full-time to teaching. |
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