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asiannationmc
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 Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:53 am Post subject: China Scam Patrol reports Foreigners arrested |
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this was sent to me from The Waijiao on Weixin .....I cannot vet this so it is simply FYI....if this is in fact a sting....and there has been other stings like this before.. "The Fashion Show Sting"..it might be the right time to get right with the Visa office...
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Although information is scarce at this time, a contact at the PSB has leaked that 229 foreign teachers working in China were arrested in the last 30 days for working illegally without a Z Visa in Beijing and Shanghai. At first the CSP was told the number was 29 teachers but we learned yesterday that was a miscommunication.
What we learned so far from China Scam Patrol confirms the above leak since they learned a black ESL agent in Beijing using a Twitter Account was pretending to be a "happy ESL teacher in China earning over $50,000 a year." This fake account was recommending others on Twitter to "contact the recruiter that made it all possible" at yet another Twitter account. Well some how the PSB got wind of this scam and went after the guy we know as "Guo Bin" since he was falsely telling everyone who contacted him on Twitter that they could work in China without a Z visa (work visa) nor a university degree (absolutely false)
The scam back-fired on the scammer when the PSB sent someone to a job interview posing as a foreign teacher and wearing a hidden microphone. Long story short, the recruiter was arrested as were some the foreign teachers whose resumes they found in his briefcase. Things snow-balled from there...
Those arrested were given a choice... go to jail for 30 days or pay a fine and allow the PSB to copy their phone contacts. Herein lies the real problem as now thousands of foreign teachers working in China are probably going to be collected into a PSB database from the 229 arrested teachers - assuming they opt not to go to jail for 30 days. If these names obtained from all the phones collected by the PSB are used for either a "random visa or diploma check", there may another 1,000 or so teachers finding themselves in a sudden legal jam. Of course the PSB might be a bit lazy during the upcoming holidays, but in the last 2 years they have been quite diligent and zealous in their efforts.
The bottom line is that those of you working in China with a legal Z visa and a real diploma have nothing to fear. If however you are not holding a Z visa now and are using a fake diploma, you stand more than a 50% chance of getting caught within the next 45 days, especially if you used agents and recruiters who used the following names; Guo Bin, Ying, Ming, Ling, Li Peng, Rebecca Tang, Derrick Yazwa, Bing, Keith, Erica Lau aka Erica Liu, Miranda, Carl He, Rose Li, Owen, Henry, or if you ever sent resumes to ESL Insider,
TheBeijinger, EChinacities, Sinocities, ESLCafe (going back to July of 2016). This information is current as of November 10th, 2016 and relates to arrests made prior to November 7th. We can assume that those arrested will identify their recruiters & agents and they will probably also be tracked down and their phones also copied. So the best advice we can offer is for illegal teachers now working in China, to take a voluntarily leave of absence and get yourself legal with the proper visas before returning to work.
If you do get arrested and jailed, you can expect to spend 10-30 days in jail depending upon how much you "cooperate" with the Chinese aurhorities and fines are ranging from $2,000 to $5,000. You WILL be deported within 30 days with a reentry ban of 3 to 5 years. Unfortunately, if you are studying in China, you will not be allowed to finish your studies, and from our past experience, you will not be able to get a refund of your tuition moneys.
If you are detained, try to remain calm and do not argue or shout at the authorities. They will treat you professionally, feed you, and allow you to make a telephone call. Do not waste it calling your agent or recruiter. They will not help you. Call your nearest family member or friend in China who can pay your fine.
At present we know that the Twitter Traps are working so well for the PSB, that they may also start using Facebook. Last year they were exposed placing fake job ads on TheBeijinger.com, Craiglist, Glassdoor, Echinacities, Sinocities, and ESLCafe. Our PSB source tells us that they get a 2,000 yuan pay bonus for every illegal foreigner they catch working in China, and that is why they really are taking this matter to heart since 2,000 yuan is one-third of their monthly salary. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| OMG! The number of arrestees sounds like human trafficking! |
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asiannationmc
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| in some chat circles China Scam Patrol has been alluded to as scammers themselves... however I would temper any post to this subject unless your so clean you squeak |
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fpshangzhou
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That's good news for us... For those of us who follow the rules & laws, no worries. China is cleaning house and causing a pathway to higher salaries.
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plumpy nut
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| It's barely worth coming here legally. With the low pay and all. |
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coffeespoonman
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I'm pretty sure this is BS. Another post today basically says that they invite you to an interview and offer you the job, then they check to see if you have a work visa in your passport, and if you don't, they arrest you. But that's not how it works - attending an interview without a work visa isn't illegal - working is. My wife, who is here on a spouse visa, isn't prohibited for looking for a legal job...
Also, right after this SHOCKING post, which is bound to get boatloads of clicks from foreign teachers, they have an ad trying to sell VPN routers...
Clickbait if you ask me. |
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asiannationmc
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| Also, right after this SHOCKING post, which is bound to get boatloads of clicks from foreign teachers, they have an ad trying to sell VPN routers... |
Appears on a lot of weixin groups but I would be reluctant due to possible mining of information, best to avoid VPN sales on this kind of media.....and yeah this maybe a scam or misinformation however this method has been employed before to net models on Tourist Visas so this can simple serve as a warning to take care. It is also possible that this story is a plant to discourage the breaking of regulations ....no doubt Asian countries are tightening up by recent changes in the law in China Thailand and recent events in Japan where a 16 year old Thai youth faces deportation from Japan despite being born in the country and having lived only in Japan; his Thai mother was an illegal immigrant working without a permit |
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mike w
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| CSP = CFTU? |
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backtochina2017
Joined: 28 Nov 2016
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| coffeespoonman wrote: |
Also, right after this SHOCKING post, which is bound to get boatloads of clicks from foreign teachers, they have an ad trying to sell VPN routers...
Clickbait if you ask me. |
The site doesn't monitor the ads too well. If people complain, they might look into them, but it's a service they are allowing "ads". They don't look into which ads will be actually seen.
This is determined by the browsing behavior of the visitor. So, it is more likely you have searched VPNs, and based on those stats you are getting VPN ads. Look in the mirror before you accuse others. |
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asiannationmc
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| the ads for the VPN's and such are located at bottom of the post...often on Weixin ... offered through groups and not browser related.... |
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asiannationmc
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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I believe the post I am currently receiving are from a awaijiao group and they do quote CSP |
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backtochina2017
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| asiannationmc wrote: |
| the ads for the VPN's and such are located at bottom of the post...often on Weixin ... offered through groups and not browser related.... |
Same idea, they are then tracking the group's behavior and introducing ads which mostly relate to the members of that group. It's like a cult all wearing Nike logos on their shirts. |
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asiannationmc
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| It's like a cult all wearing Nike logos on their shirts. |
hardly the waixin group is The Waijiao....... its a news group that sells VPN routers and questions can be directed to Waijia James in Guangzhou Guangdong. For further question as to new regulations & what they think the 411 is you can write [email protected] |
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coffeespoonman
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*repost deleted*
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coffeespoonman
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| backtochina2017 wrote: |
This is determined by the browsing behavior of the visitor. So, it is more likely you have searched VPNs, and based on those stats you are getting VPN ads. Look in the mirror before you accuse others. |
Well, aren't you an ugly little troll? I've never searched for a VPN on my phone.
A number of things caused me to feel that this post is misleading, to say the least, and I offered my thoughts on the matter in the hopes that the people on this board could draw a more accurate conclusion.
It says something like, "your chances of getting caught used to be 5%, but now it's %50 percent." Where would those numbers come from? And how can you be arrested for applying for a job? It's either poor journalism, an attempt at scaring people into not teaching illegally, or a way to rack up clicks.
For the record, this doesn't affect me. I came here with a Z visa, and I have worked for my one, completely legal job, the entire time I've been here. I visit Dave's occasionally to share information, to ask for help and to help others. If that help isn't wanted or appreciated, I'm happy to step right the hell out of this thread. |
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