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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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 Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:09 pm Post subject: Fit or acquit... |
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It's a reference to the OJ Simpson murder trial in which his lawyer's closing statement to the jury was, "If the gloves don't fit, you must acquit."
Sort of a stupid reference in this argument. |
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Tazz
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Jeez....never figured on a mud slide becoming involved in the convoluted conversion of an L to a Z visa.  A natural disaster as a mitigating circumstance? Let me check the met office siesmographic readings-and plan accordingly... |
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asiannationmc
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| A natural disaster as a mitigating circumstance? |
I have no information to lead me to the idea that the authority thought of any part of the process as mitigating circumstances. Actually the point was if you change your passport the new number may not avail your application.
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| Sort of a stupid reference in this argument. |
Yah maybe so,... a light approach to subject matter may not be with in your "funny bone" ability...
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I am sorry, I don't know what that means. Fit and acquit or some facsimile? Rolling Eyes
If it is a real process maybe you can explain, if it is some inside joke/insult (perhaps British humor?) I have better things to do with my time. |
What nationality are you? |
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Wicked Stepmother
Joined: 01 Dec 2016
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| My understanding is the teacher doesn't have a work visa. They came to China on a tourist visa (from what I am surmising "I did not enter China using the invitation letter and FEC"), got the physical before going to Hubei (previous job in China? My guess is no), and applied for the work permit/invitation letter so they would go do a Hong Kong trip to get the Z visa. That's my guess from the missing pieces of the puzzle. There is no mention of a Z visa in the passport which would negate what I stated, and there is logical evidence from their wording that they have entered China on something (L visa? Student visa?). |
Thanks for all your comments people. They have helped me try to get my head around things. Truly, it is not an act - I was feeling helpless. Just to clarify again, I am not in China. I changed my mind before getting to China. Therefore, there are no currently active visas of any kind in my passport.
An update: the Jiangsu province employer contacted the Hubei employer and persuaded them to cancel the work permit. So that is one thing I learned is true - when Chinese institutions talk, it is more persuasive than the foreigner, as all emails to the Hubei employer from me had been ignored for weeks. It seemed to take about 2 days for the Jiangsu employer to cancel the permit, after I had supplied the correct contact details.
But I now have another question. How does the cancellation actually happen? How do I get confirmation, as I currently only have their word for it? What is this 'release letter' I hear about, and will I need it? Also, the Jiangsu employer is asking for the work permit document sent to me. Why would they need that? I just am trying to understand this system better. |
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backtochina2017
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| But I now have another question. How does the cancellation actually happen? How do I get confirmation, as I currently only have their word for it? What is this 'release letter' I hear about, and will I need it? Also, the Jiangsu employer is asking for the work permit document sent to me. Why would they need that? I just am trying to understand this system better. |
Well, you may not get any notice. Any information needed or documents are usually faxed/copied sent to the new school.
I would ask the new school (Jiangsu) why they are requesting things from you if they are already in contact with the old school (Hubei). Perhaps they need to show the old work permit in order to speed up the process instead of reapplying for a new one. That's just a guess.
Good news on the cancellation though. One school refused to give a release letter until someone from my new school came and apologized for the way they acted over the phone LOL
Glad it didn't come out that way with you. |
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Wicked Stepmother
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| Good news on the cancellation though. |
Thanks but not counting my chickens just yet. Not till that new visa is in my passport and I am on my way. Just heard of yet another issue on another thread that the new trial visa has to be processed through London, not Edinburgh or Manchester consulates, which is incredibly inconvenient if you cannot get to London. And god knows whether the embassy staff in London have actually been trained properly yet.  |
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Wicked Stepmother
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| Any information needed or documents are usually faxed/copied sent to the new school. |
Yet another question: in order for the Hubei working permit and invitation letter to be cancelled, do I need to send the original documents back to the Hubei employer? Is it enough to send scanned copies to the Jiangsu employer, for them to cancel them? The Jiangsu employer first asked for my working permit, then told me to send it back to the Hubei employer. I'm confused... |
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hz88
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Your old school can send you a copy of the cancellation documents but it would be far simpler if they dealt with each other.
As I mentioned in another reply the system was changed, the cancellation documents are now individually barcoded with an identifier and that unique number is required as part of the process. Since September we had to send a copy initially and then later when we applied in person to finish the process we needed the original copy to be submitted.
The previous school mailed us this document. We will have to repeat this process in the future when one of our teachers transfers to another school.
I suggest you tell them to communicate with each other in this regard, it could already have been dealt with in the time you have spent dithering about on here. |
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Wicked Stepmother
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:53 pm Post subject: update |
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So, I thought I would let everyone know how things finally worked out...
The Jiangsu employer got tired of dealing with all this stuff and so I stopped applying for the job. I applied somewhere else in another province and now have the visa for the new semester. China has so many jobs, so many provinces...
I have no idea about what happened to cancellation of the previous invitation letter from the Hubei employer. My new employer never asked about it, and the old one didn't stop them sending me a new one.
Re the Hubei employer: they were offering me 10,000 RMB a month, saying they could not pay any more. That was one of the reasons I was hesitant in accepting the post. Now I see the same job offered for over £30,000 a year. The moral of this story? Trust your instincts regarding employers. Yes, it brought me hell withdrawing from that post, but they turned out to be blatant liars. |
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thechangling
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:11 am Post subject: Re: update |
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| Wicked Stepmother wrote: |
So, I thought I would let everyone know how things finally worked out...
The Jiangsu employer got tired of dealing with all this stuff and so I stopped applying for the job. I applied somewhere else in another province and now have the visa for the new semester. China has so many jobs, so many provinces...
I have no idea about what happened to cancellation of the previous invitation letter from the Hubei employer. My new employer never asked about it, and the old one didn't stop them sending me a new one.
Re the Hubei employer: they were offering me 10,000 RMB a month, saying they could not pay any more. That was one of the reasons I was hesitant in accepting the post. Now I see the same job offered for over £30,000 a year. The moral of this story? Trust your instincts regarding employers. Yes, it brought me hell withdrawing from that post, but they turned out to be blatant liars. |
I'd love to know who the Hubei employer was as I live in Wuhan and have some experience interviewing with some terrible schools in this city.
I had to threaten my current school (third tier uni) to get my basic salary up from 6500 to 8000 per month. |
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The bear
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:46 am Post subject: Re: update |
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| Wicked Stepmother wrote: |
Re the Hubei employer: they were offering me 10,000 RMB a month, saying they could not pay any more. That was one of the reasons I was hesitant in accepting the post. Now I see the same job offered for over £30,000 a year. The moral of this story? Trust your instincts regarding employers. Yes, it brought me hell withdrawing from that post, but they turned out to be blatant liars. |
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