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sammysez
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 Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:06 pm Post subject: Summer Employment? Ideas? Not just Saudi |
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As a US citizen, we are required to stay out of the US for 330 days. I plan on returning the following year to Saudi, 2017-2018, so I've been told you can go back to the U.S. for a month or two months for vacation, but you CANNOT WORK.
1) Summer Employment in Saudi? Since I'm here.
2) OR anyone know of some good summer jobs anywhere?
Doesn't have to be Saudi nor does it need to be teaching.
Thanks for any suggestions or help. |
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veiledsentiments
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Check with local language schools.
Temp summer jobs are not usually possible around the Gulf because of the visa rules. Those that appear are normally taken by those already in the country legally.
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cnthaiksarok
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Summer Employment? Ideas? Not just Saudi |
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| sammysez wrote: |
out of the US for 330 days.
I've been told you can go back to the U.S. for two months for vacation |
Sorry to deconstruct your message and I could very well be wrong, but...
I thought that you could not be in the U.S. for two months (or any amount of time exceeding approx. 35 days) w/o putting your Foreign Earned Income Exclusion in jeopardy(?)
If I believed wrong, you could always work under the table in the U.S. over the summer.
- painting houses, laying sod, carpentry, etc...ya know - handyman jobs. Off the tax record (cash) payment is not exactly unheard of in those circles.
Overseas, you have your pick of the litter for summer camp-type positions in EFL. Choose a country you've considered working in and go there for a stint to see if you like it. |
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hash
Joined: 17 Dec 2014
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Location: Wadi Jinn
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Summer Employment? Ideas? Not just Saudi |
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| sammysez wrote: |
| As a US citizen, we are required to stay out of the US for 330 days. |
It's not as simple as that. It depends if you file your taxes under the 330 days out of the US rule or the claiming KSA residency rule. It's up to you to choose which "plan" you would follow while working overseas.
If you're filing under the 330 rule, then you have to be out of the US for 330 days thus giving you approx. 2 months in the US. However, as far as I understand it, this rule does not forbid you from working in the US during those 2 months.
If you're filing under the KSA residency rule, you remain a KSA resident (for tax purposes) until you depart KSA for good and return to the US. As long as you're a resident of KSA there's really no time limit on how long you can be in the US (within reason, I assume) before losing your KSA residency and no restrictions on working in the US while still a "resident" of KSA.
(Of course, any wages earned in the US. regardless of your "residency" vis a vis KSA, would be US TAXABLE.)
However, as with all tax and other official matters, I would definitely not rely on what you "hear" on the internet as gospel truth, even if it's coming from me. You should spend the approx. $100 it'll cost you to get a consultation with a recognized tax professional on these matters before taking any action or making any assumptions for the simple reason that these rules are changing all the time and it takes a true professional to be up to date on them.
A professional consultation would also take into consideration YOUR SPECIFIC SITUATION. No doubt, there are factors peculiar to your situation that you have not revealed here on this forum that could greatly affect a final favorable disposition of your tax status.. |
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RustyShackleford
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:03 am Post subject: |
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I had a worry not unlike this between leaving Spain and moving to KSA - I took on a part-time job as a tutor whilst back in the states in the 90 or so days. I actually hired a professional to sort my taxes out.
In reality, most TEFLers aren't really making all that much money to be worried about. As said above - best to actually get people who know 110% what they're talking about instead of our glorified guesstimates.
However, that said - apply for extensions once abroad (you get an automatic extension til June in any case) and make a case for being a defacto resident even if you don't meet the 330 days. Also, it needn't be only KSA or any other single country - the US basically only cares whether you've been and will continue to be in America or Not America. |
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hash
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| RustyShackleford wrote: |
In reality, most TEFLers aren't really making all that much money to be worried about. |
This is true up to a point. The real worry for a TEFLer making less than $100 grand/year is not that the IRS "will take your money away".....it's that once your case comes within their purview, it's very hard to get rid of them, even for the tiniest infraction.
The fact that most TEFLers work overseas increases the annoyance factor considerably. Communications becomes a problem especially since most govt. offices continue to deal only in old-fashioned snail-mail in their official communications.....and they usually impose totally unrealistic time limits by which they must "hear from you".
I know several people who have been dogged (dogged....not dodged) by the IRS for years......like a constant intravenous drip of poison in their lives that could have easily been prevented. This is what you should try to avoid......Get it right the first time. Go to a professional. Even if he gets it wrong (they often do when it comes to overseas income), you're more or less covered. HINT: When approaching a pro, ask him (or usually HER) if he's familiar with the special situation of overseas taxpayers. If not, ask to be directed to someone who is.
(Many of these pros advertise their services here and there......but I would urge a person to person meeting if at all possible. I'd be real cagey about sending some of my most sensitive information to "someone" advertising on the internet unless someone you know specifically recommends "them".) |
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Gulezar
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| hash wrote: |
| HINT: When approaching a pro, ask him (or usually HER) if he's familiar with the special situation of overseas taxpayers. If not, ask to be directed to someone who is. |
I've been lucky with accountants in Hawaii. In general, they seem to understand how to work with people who are non-resident taxpayers and taxpayers who are non-US citizens. They also know how to get things done via the internet. I'm sure that there are very capable accountants stateside, but folks in Hawaii just have to be able to manage in these areas in order to survive out there on the islands. |
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