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danshengou
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| Since you're not working IN the US, just being from the Anglosphere will suffice (for Z visa purposes). |
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jimpellow
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It's very karmic to me that this just popped back up to the top. I am in Merida Mexico these days and literally just went to the cafe near my apartment. Sat next to some fellow American expats and got talking to them. Seems the one has actually been teaching at this campus for the last two years. He likes it a lot and intends to return.
He said I could work there which excited that twisted part of me inside that would like to return to the PRC for another stint. However, beyond the reluctance about the pollution and the daily level of frustration (which he says is not that bad at the school as most of the management is American) is the matter of the visa hassles these days. He oddly does not know what visa he came on as he said the school takes care of everything. He arrived post regulation changes and didn't need to do pre-med, CBC etc. He also stated that he is paid into his US bank account. So I am thinking he may have been able to 'legitimately' come on an M or such rather than the more cumbersome Z. Does anybody know? |
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danshengou
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| jimpellow wrote: |
It's very karmic to me that this just popped back up to the top. I am in Merida Mexico these days and literally just went to the cafe near my apartment. Sat next to some fellow American expats and got talking to them. Seems the one has actually been teaching at this campus for the last two years. He likes it a lot and intends to return.
He said I could work there which excited that twisted part of me inside that would like to return to the PRC for another stint. However, beyond the reluctance about the pollution and the daily level of frustration (which he says is not that bad at the school as most of the management is American) is the matter of the visa hassles these days. He oddly does not know what visa he came on as he said the school takes care of everything. He arrived post regulation changes and didn't need to do pre-med, CBC etc. He also stated that he is paid into his US bank account. So I am thinking he may have been able to 'legitimately' come on an M or such rather than the more cumbersome Z. Does anybody know? |
It would be a Z visa to work legally in China. |
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nomad soul
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There's no mention of US citizenship or residency on their website:
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Faculty - Liberal Arts - English and Literature
Faculty - Liberal Arts - English as Second Language
Qualifications: A Doctorate degree is required in the relevant or a related field for tenure-track positions; ABD considered with completion prior to the effective date of employment. A terminal degree is required for tenure-track positions in Graphic Design. Master's degree in a related field is required for Lecturer positions. A minimum of one year of teaching experience at the post-secondary level and English fluency is required for all positions.
English: Rhetoric & Composition; Business, Professional and Technical Writing; ESL/EFL; TESL/TEFL; World Literature - To teach (1) general ESL/EFL and Composition classes, (2) World Literature and (3) writing/rhetoric, linguistics and EFL/ESL methods and teaching techniques within the Teaching English in Global Settings major. Teaching experience with non-native speakers is desirable. |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
There's no mention of US citizenship or residency on their website:
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Faculty - Liberal Arts - English and Literature
Faculty - Liberal Arts - English as Second Language
Qualifications: A Doctorate degree is required in the relevant or a related field for tenure-track positions; ABD considered with completion prior to the effective date of employment. A terminal degree is required for tenure-track positions in Graphic Design. Master's degree in a related field is required for Lecturer positions. A minimum of one year of teaching experience at the post-secondary level and English fluency is required for all positions.
English: Rhetoric & Composition; Business, Professional and Technical Writing; ESL/EFL; TESL/TEFL; World Literature - To teach (1) general ESL/EFL and Composition classes, (2) World Literature and (3) writing/rhetoric, linguistics and EFL/ESL methods and teaching techniques within the Teaching English in Global Settings major. Teaching experience with non-native speakers is desirable. |
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They don't seem to mention a lot on their website. Nor is there mention of requirements for a z-visa which is typical when the school is above board on working papers.
One would assume that it would be a Z as the employment period is past three months and one is not coming in a technical capacity. Seems the M is the correct visa only if it is under three months for a foreign entity and salary is being paid into a foreign account.
Seems odd to me though after some further reading and my discussion with the other teacher. They have had some controversies and have a heavy debt load that would make me question their viability as an employer. |
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cbert
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:18 pm Post subject: M visas |
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I'm not sure all the visa in and outs, but when I was working for Clark University (US school) and was paid by them in US dollars in the US, they had me in China on a M visa as a "foreign scholar."
I think Kean does do the Z visa route, but based on my experience with Clark, it seems like they could be eligible for the M route. |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:27 am Post subject: Re: M visas |
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| cbert wrote: |
I'm not sure all the visa in and outs, but when I was working for Clark University (US school) and was paid by them in US dollars in the US, they had me in China on a M visa as a "foreign scholar."
I think Kean does do the Z visa route, but based on my experience with Clark, it seems like they could be eligible for the M route. |
It's an interesting question. Technically, it meets the requirements to be an intracompany transfer. Not that China ever follows any type of international convention, but visas for intracompany transfers are not supposed to be as onerous as the z-visa has become. If they do insist on the Z, per the recent public regulation, I wonder if it is due to them not being cognizant of the required time and expense required by the applicant and company? Are they trying to create barriers to encourage companies to hire more Chinese? Is is to maintain more control over the foreign devils?
The Z leads to a status where one is required to be paying taxes unless one hails from a country where China has a tax agreement like South Korea. How can they be collecting taxes to fill their quickly depleting coffers if the salary is paid outside of China? |
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