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Villain
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| 12 hours sounds reasonable. I'll send you a pm just now Jim. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
As I said there is someone on that IELTS thread who was doing 12 hours and on a Z/residence. To me that's part time and even better if you can concentrate your classes over say 3 days.
I'd offer sweetheart deals on IELTS tuition to offspring of senior school decision makers.
A agree that under 12 you are likely to get queries from PSB or other bureaucrat. |
Twelve hours of IELTS is part-time? Granted, you'll actually be given books written specifically for IELTS, there is still a LOT of preparation involved.
Sure, I can see a twelve-hour contract at a language mill being a part-time job if one is given the curriculum and supporting materials and NO OFFICE HOURS. What are the chances of that?
Keep us informed. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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It was 12 hrs doing normal FT work.
The point was to structure the downtime into usable blocks to develop an IELTS prep tutoring business. |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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I sent the info from your PM to my friend. Just hope he is not having VPN issues again or he may not see it.
My feeling about the language mills is that a lot of them need to have their classes stacked on the weekend to meet student demand. Some of them may be open to working something out as the need for a foreign teacher is not always so high during the week. If you can meet their needs, and they don't have to pay you a full-time wage, apartment nor provide an initial z-visa, (which saves them about 14k and a lot of work) there is a potential win-win. You want to approach it as you are the solution to a problem they face. I always suggest you lie a little and say you have talked with a few schools already and they feel it is a great idea. Chinese hate the idea of somebody else winning instead of them.
If you are networked, some of these big lao da can swing long term visas and you are then their pet. Teach them English which actually occurs rarely as they are always running around with their hair on fire or out of town. Have nice dinners with them and their business friends so they can show you off like a gold Rolex watch. Be forced to get very drunk and then off to some immoral venue. Known three people who went this route full to part-time. I did the part-time route with a former student during one summer break and look back at my own prostitution quite fondly.
Met a dude in Nanjing that had a long term visa for a part-time job based in Shanghai doing QC for an American produce company.
Googling part-time and then a large Chinese city will create opportunities for the committed.
Yes, as Bud says, would love to hear how it all turned out. |
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danshengou
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| For part-time, best to exit and come back on a long-term tourist visa. Plenty of smaller language schools will work you part-time for a weekly cash payout. If you string enough of them together, you can get by. Good luck. |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| danshengou wrote: |
| For part-time, best to exit and come back on a long-term tourist visa. Plenty of smaller language schools will work you part-time for a weekly cash payout. If you string enough of them together, you can get by. Good luck. |
I completely disagree. No such thing as a long term tourist visa. Short term that maybe can be renewed once nowadays. Not to mention one is working illegally and no recourse if stiffed or hauled out by fifty police people.
He should be like Neo in the Matrix. Waking up each morning increasing self-empowered to create opportunities that will lead to an outcome of his choosing and kicking Agent Song's a** as the need arises. |
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danshengou
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Long-term tourist visas exist for some countries with China (e.g., USA 10-year http://www.usccc.org/china-visa). And plenty of people work part-time for extra cash at small schools. But it's highly unlikely if one's aim is strictly part-time to get an actual work visa. So a long-term tourist visa would be the only practical way to make money in this scenario, legal or not legal. |
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jimpellow
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| danshengou wrote: |
| Long-term tourist visas exist for some countries with China (e.g., USA 10-year http://www.usccc.org/china-visa). And plenty of people work part-time for extra cash at small schools. But it's highly unlikely if one's aim is strictly part-time to get an actual work visa. So a long-term tourist visa would be the only practical way to make money in this scenario, legal or not legal. |
Last time I did some reading on that 10 year visa with the US it certainly was not like you claimed. I believe at first it was that one could enter China for up to 10 years after the visa was issued. I think the US bitched because that was not what was agreed to. It would not surprise me as the Chinese government does not honor any contract it signs, much like the vast majority of Mainland Chinese.
I believe for US citizens it is now three months single entry per year and two months for multiple entry.
There is no ability to get it renewed past that limit, and they still hold the discretion to limit it to a shorter time period.
Further, former teachers have been known to be denied tourists visas in the last few years as the government fears they may do exactly what you are proposing. Seriously. He is ok with the 12 hours a week. Even three days of 5 no prep classes packed at peak times would probably suit him. That is what I pulled off at Web.
The hours when applying for the residence permit can of course be fudged. At my first high school, when I taught subjects, I was only needed for six hours a week, 2 classes a day, three days a week for the first semester. Between the holidays and the school tests, which were constant, I probably averaged less than 20 hours a month in and out of the classroom.
If the school is authorized, then I believe they are granted up to so many work permits to use. If they are seriously short teachers, or need a teacher for peak time only, he is a viable solution to their needs. |
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