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danshengou
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| Keep trying. PRC must be better than South Korea. |
But SK definitely has better Internet. |
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dragonpiwo
Joined: 04 Mar 2013
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Location: Berlin
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:06 pm Post subject: erm |
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| Am I stating the obvious when I say 'I wouldn't hire the OP either' based on his responses here? |
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Knedliki
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| He sounds like most people under the age of thirty that I've worked with. Self entitled and whiny. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:16 am Post subject: |
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I've endured rants* by young Americans as well as their total disinterest in learning how to do a half-decent job.
*To FAO staff:
'I am an American'.
'My country is the most powerful in the world'.
'My country could destroy your country at any time'
..and the guy would have been unlikely to pass any service medical!
So remember this when you are running down the Chinese.
That said I find Korean arrogance hard to stomach given the blood and treasure expended by the West to guarantee their freedom. |
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backtochina2017
Joined: 28 Nov 2016
Posts: 123
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| I kept on getting into back-and-forth email arguments with recruiters in Chinese language centers. Has anybody else experienced this? |
Why are you only dealing with recruiters at language centers? Even in Korea, the recruiter is a third party matchmaker who works for the school and gets teachers.
In China, you don't have to deal with this even more so. The time of the post was in October which is a month after schools have already started the fall season, the beginning of the Chinese new school year. Even if you work at a language school, students sign up to take classes after public school. By applying way late in this, you can't expect good offers.
For university jobs, you can try to get the second semester jobs.
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| I have now been left to become an ESL teacher in Korea. |
Because you didn't connect with the first recruiter, you abandon all other offers?
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| I would have thought that it would be the other way around where getting a teaching job in China is easy while getting a teaching job in Korea is difficult, but at least in my case, the opposite is true. |
That's because you need to talk to multiple recruiters. I have been getting offers every other week but have already picked a job. If you aren't still getting offers, you haven't applied to enough recruiters. There are plenty of jobs looking for teachers.
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| However, since you have asked, what happened was during my interview with them, the recruiter asked what cities that I was interested in working in. |
This a bad approach to getting a job. Don't interview with the recruiter. The best jobs I have had come from a recruiter simply connecting me with a school. You might have a Skype interview with the school, but you don't need to do this with a recruiter.
Some recruiters will try to get you to come in and record video. When this happened to me in Beijing, I tore the application sheet up and threw it in their face. "Don't ever ask a teacher to come in and simply give you video content. Either give me an interview with the school as you promised or don't invite me down to your office."
If you got one of those recruiters, you got a bad apple in the bunch. That was like 1 out of 30 recruiters I interacted with. The only other oddball recruiter wanted me to pay them commission for their first school offer when the second school refused to send me a contract before the interview date. Difference of opinion between the school and me and ridiculous expectations by the recruiter. Solution, get another recruiter. I did, and 3 days later I went down to the school I accepted a contract with and had a successful year with them.
If you balk at the first recruiter that lets you down, you will never find a school that fits.
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| The interview ended after she gave me the instructions on the demo video that I needed to do. |
You should never have to do a demo video. You can, but they are not actually evaluating you on teaching a class. You have a probationary month at least for that. The video just gives them a chance to pick the blue eyed blonde females to hire first. It's not a legit "demo". You aren't talking to students.
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| I will just have to drudge through and live in Korea for a year then work in China after I have the year of experience. |
This might be the true reason why you weren't hired. They want 2 years of experience. If you are just starting out, then it is very likely someone else came along with 2 years experience and took your job.
You then need to look for parts of China that don't have this restriction. Chalk this off to naivety.
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| A Chinese recruiter that I used to email with last month emailed me a few days ago if I would be fine with teaching in a 3rd tier city. |
Can't say offers aren't there then.
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| People who have taught English in both countries tend to like one more than the other. |
I know this isn't supposed to be about Korea. I will just say that I enjoyed my experiences in Korea, and I enjoy working in China. However, due to my age it is much more difficult to get a recruiter in Korea to give me a chance. The happy medium for me is to work and live in China and then meet Koreans who come to China in the northeast.
If you are are out of college and under 30, you will have a significant edge in Korea and should experience it before your youth runs out.
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| The pros of teaching in Korea are: clean environment, higher salary and better exchange rate, free housing, and the language is a bit easier to learn. |
If you don't go to the very center of Beijing, the environment isn't bad. I lived 2 hours from central Beijing and returned for a second year. I never had any problems in that area. It was only when I went into central Beijing that the air pollution was a factor.
Looking at the size of Korea and comparing it to China is like saying because Oklahoma has hurricanes you shouldn't come to the USA.
As for language, I need those Chinese characters to tie meaning with pronunciation. In Korean, the hangul doesn't carry the meaning. I strive to know Korean better, but it simply doesn't stick like Chinese and Japanese does which incorporate the Chinese characters and retain the meaning. |
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