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VanillaICE
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I am going through this process my self, and I am a little bit confused, it seems some people here are trying to muddy the waters on purpose by giving vague statements.
Anyways I have my degree authenticated by my state, now the university is telling me to mail my degree to them in China, before they can send me the invitation letter. Will they mail it back and I get it authenticated by the Chinese consulate as well when I get my Z ?
I worked in China several year ago - and the process was just send your scans and we will mail off an invitation letter. I am a little hesitant to mail off my original diploma to the University in Beijing, as this was not the process years ago, but I am sure they have tightened up the process by now.
I want to know if others have had to mail off their original degree for the university administrator to "eye ball" a few times before he issues an invitation letter ? Did they mail it back ? or hold it ransom until you show up in China ? |
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backtochina2017
Joined: 28 Nov 2016
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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This is an update on my work visa regarding the diploma. I am from Michigan in the USA. I did NOT have to go to 3 places before submitting my application to a China visa service in Chicago, http://www.mychinavisa.com/locations/chicago/
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Your notarized documents went to 2 places. The agency simply did it for you. The last of the two places, the Chinese embassy or consulate does not except mail ins, so your agency couriered the documents instead of you going to the consulate yourself, and your agency couriered the notarized documents to either the county clerks office or the State Secretary of State as well. Your agency did the couriering and mailing, instead of you doing it. That is a fact. Don't tell us otherwise. You also had to pay a lot of money for the agency to do all this work for you. It is a fact. If you say it wasn't done this way then you are simply here at Daves trolling. |
No, you are incorrect. I never sent my college diploma to the agency. I still have it. If you want I can put up a cam and show you.
If you go to the following address it says NOWHERE that you need to submit your college authenticated diploma to be authenticated a third time at the Chinese Consulate.
http://www.mychinavisa.com/china-visa/work-visa/
As far as paying a courier service, it is cheaper than going yourself. If you go yourself you have to pay for greyhound, Metro bus, Amtrak, etc.. which start at $22 ($44 or more considering the return).
Then you have to wait 4 days. If you get a hotel, how much per night? 3 nights minimum at 30 brings you you up to $134. You need to eat, figure $5 per meal if you are trying to be cheap about it. You are now at $179 plus any meals along the way. When you arrive in Chicago, how will you get from the station to the Consulate? Call Uber, taxi, metro? Add those expenses. Now when you get to the consulate, they will want $140. You have paid over $300 using lowest estimates.
If you look at the link I gave, I paid them a total of $268, saving $50 from the cheapest alternative. You need to get your facts straight.
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backtochina2017
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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This is an update on my work visa regarding the diploma. I am from Michigan in the USA. I did NOT have to go to 3 places before submitting my application to a China visa service in Chicago, http://www.mychinavisa.com/locations/chicago/
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Your notarized documents went to 2 places. The agency simply did it for you. The last of the two places, the Chinese embassy or consulate does not except mail ins, so your agency couriered the documents instead of you going to the consulate yourself, and your agency couriered the notarized documents to either the county clerks office or the State Secretary of State as well. Your agency did the couriering and mailing, instead of you doing it. That is a fact. Don't tell us otherwise. You also had to pay a lot of money for the agency to do all this work for you. It is a fact. If you say it wasn't done this way then you are simply here at Daves trolling. |
yup, well said!!! It's also the only way he's getting a visa without having to drive/fly over to Chicago, paid a bunch of money to FedEx diploma to Chicago plus the agency fee, then had to do the same for the visa |
I paid ONLY $7 with the local postal office on Thursday Feb 16, it was supposed to arrive on Saturday Feb 18, but because President's Day was Monday, people were off. So, it was received on Tuesday Feb 21. I received an email yesterday from http://www.mychinavisa.com/ which states:
"Thank you. If your application goes through, you can expect you receive your visa on March 1.
Thanks
Should you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
Best,
China Visa Service Center
500 N. Michigan Ave Suite 538
Chicago, IL 60611
Voice: 1-312-467-1100
Fax: 1-312-467-1103
www.mychinavisa.com
[email protected] " |
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backtochina2017
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| I am going through this process my self, and I am a little bit confused, it seems some people here are trying to muddy the waters on purpose by giving vague statements. |
Exactly. We need to be specific about each person's case. There is not one rule or guideline that fits all.
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| Anyways I have my degree authenticated by my state, now the university is telling me to mail my degree to them in China, before they can send me the invitation letter. |
My first attempt would be to scan your authenticated diploma. I had 2 parts I scanned. The letter they affixed to the diploma attesting it was accurate and the second scan was the diploma itself which was altered when the university I graduated from stamped their notarization on it.
The university in China should be able to submit that in order to get the work permit and invitation letter. Perhaps they are asking for the real diploma as a way to keep you tied to them. You would have to do the same thing if you decided to go with another school.
If all else fails and they insist on the original and you really want to work for them, make sure you have something in writing where they state they will return the diploma to you. Makes more sense to do this when you return, but you might feel at ease requesting them send it when they send you the invitation letter, work permit, and their supporting documents.
My new school never asked for the original, I still have it and a second diploma in case I need to go through the process again at a later date. You might want to ask your university you graduated from for a second diploma to be sent. It was free for me and I got it about 1-2 weeks later. |
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VanillaICE
Joined: 21 Feb 2017
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:47 am Post subject: |
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I don't want to work for them that much. They are telling me the administrator is demanding my real documents before he will send out an invitation letter, this seems fishy to me.
Isn't this the reason why we need to get our diploma authenticated at the Chinese Consulate ? It's been several year's since I worked in China, but I have never seen mentioned on this board, or from other people I know working in China that you need to mail your documents to China FIRST., then they mail the invitation letter to you. |
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hz88
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:54 am Post subject: |
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You shouldn't be sending original documents to China, period.
The authenticated copies are needed to get the invitation letter. That was the purpose of this being introduced.
Some provinces, mine included now require it for verification after you arrive so yes, you should be taking it with you otherwise you will run into endless problems and not be flavour of the month with your school.
I suggest you say that you are not comortable sending original documents but are happy to get them authenticated and then produce the original later. The new guidelines published earlier this year which the FAO for that school should be familiar with state this clearly in Chinese so you could mention this.
If not then I would be looking elsewhere. |
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backtochina2017
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| Isn't this the reason why we need to get our diploma authenticated at the Chinese Consulate? |
I imagine the idea of the Chinese consulate authenticating a diploma is based solely on the premise you are not in your home country or near your university you graduated from. I could see how this might be a "service" offered by the Chinese consulate. I have never attempted this approach, but I would first try to contact my university to see if I could mail them my diploma to be authenticated. From there, maybe the university could send it to the Secretary of State. If not, maybe there could be a courier service. If neither option works, then I would ask the courier service like the one I used what to do. If the answer is in fact yes you can get your diploma authenticated with the Chinese consulate then I would ask that courier service to add that to list of things needed to be done before getting the Z visa.
Remember, all of this (abroad) is you without your passport. So, I really question the wisdom of any of this Chinese consulate authenticating your diploma business. Why not return to your home country, visit friends, family, get your authenticated diploma yourself and then have the ease of mind to know you have a job on the other end?
I would love to hear from the beach ball experts on this how they bounce around their diploma and passport from one country to the next and get it back to return to China. That's another wonderful caveat to all this. I thought you were required to enter China on your Z visa. Are they saying you stay in China, no passport in hand, and waiting for god knows how long to get your passport back in a foreign country? I am willing to learn, and if I see a successful path mentioned many times it might make me feel more at ease accepting such a notion.
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You shouldn't be sending original documents to China, period.
The authenticated copies are needed to get the invitation letter. That was the purpose of this being introduced. |
They are one in the same. The purpose of the thread was to address whatever was authenticated. There is no such thing as an original. My university authenticated a copy. I have it, and I have another copy which is not authenticated. It is to be authenticated at a later date, if need be. |
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VanillaICE
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I am in America now, just a short jaunt from L.A. so getting my Diploma up to the Chinese consulate is not a problem. I actually told the school, after reading hz88's response, that I would not be mailing the diploma to them, and that I would take it up to the Chinese consulate to get authenticated if they wanted to continue this song and dance.
The response ? Oh it seems you are right, let us email you a list of scanned documents to send over once get your diploma authenticated by the L.A. consulate.
I don't know if they have new workers dealing with me, or they were just screwing with me to see if they could really get me to mail my diploma over there. Regardless hz77s advice stands, tell them to take a hike if they want you to mail over the real diploma. |
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backtochina2017
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"I am in America now"
"getting my Diploma up to the Chinese consulate is not a problem"
You missed a step. Your university needs to notarize it, correct?
If not, then yea, have a pizza party and let the Chinese consulate substitute the university.
"tell them to take a hike if they want you to mail over the real diploma."
I never do this. I yell like a tiger at their lackeys (making sure they know they are a person first and then a representative of our employer) but I don't burn my bridges when dealing with the "human resources" department. |
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