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hz88
Joined: 27 Sep 2015 Posts: 162
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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I have to agree here.
When I first read the thread over and over before anyone had replied, I had a headache trying to pick out the salient points or what the OP was actually trying to achieve in the long run, so much so that I was too lethargic to reply.
Some of the other posts the OP has made certainly don't tally with someone who has had experience in China before and the OP seems continually dismissive of other people who actually are on the ground and have current knowledge.
According to one of his posts he is going to Henan, if this is the case why fly to Shanghai?, its not clear which city exactly but assuming it is Zhengzhou then its equidistant from Beijing. Why not see if there is another cheaper option there? There is almost an hourly high speed train service from Beijing to Zhengzhou and its a couple of hours at most.
The time spent dithering around on here could have been spent actually finding a suitable alternative.
A quick search found a one way ticket from DTW to PEK with a transit in Newark for $650. It arrives in Beijing just after 4pm.
Just my two cents.... |
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backtochina2017
Joined: 28 Nov 2016 Posts: 123
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I am a bit puzzled. The OP professed in PMs to me to know so much about living and working in China, but he has difficulty with simple things like flight itineraries and the necessary bureaucracy involved in working in China. I don't get it. |
I am not asking for help. That's the difference. I was initiating conversation with people to discuss best ways to get tickets. I was not claiming I couldn't book a ticket.
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| According to one of his posts he is going to Henan, if this is the case why fly to Shanghai? |
It's called a connecting flight. You go from your city's airport to Shanghai, then you go to the city in China you will work. Guangzhou, Shanghai, and Beijing seem to be the three main areas to fly into before changing flights to your final destination.
I did book a flight today and I noticed they had the same flights to China mentioned 6 times with different layovers for the third flight to the final destination. In my case, yes, it is Henan. They have a bunch of planes ready to go for the domestic flights. That's how the airline industry works.
This is similar to taking a taxi, bus, or train into Beijing and then taking another taxi, bus, or the subway to your final meeting spot in central Beijing.
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| There is almost an hourly high speed train service from Beijing to Zhengzhou and its a couple of hours at most. |
That is an awesome idea. If I return for a second year in Zhengzhou, I will definitely consider that option if it saves money. In this case, this will be by first time in Zhengzhou and I recommend to people not to do this first time around until you know the area you are going to. One of my previous jobs was in Shenyang and when I moved to Beijing I had to transport all my stuff.
On the final leg, I couldn't get a bus to the school in Shenyang, so I hopped on the back of one of those moped taxi guys, not a taxi car or those metal pizza delivery looking things, but an actual moped you just sit behind the driver on. It was raining badly, but I needed to get to the school to get my stuff. So I told the guy where to turn. You need to know your territory or accept costs later on if it is something like a taxi. In that case, there was no way a teacher going there the first time would know where their new school was.
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| The time spent dithering around on here could have been spent actually finding a suitable alternative. |
Actually, I put the horse before the cart. I looked at the options. Then, I came here and asked what other options I may have missed were. Pretty much, everyone is saying the same thing and I got my flight booked today after confirmation with other "experts".
I hope this approach is ok with you. I don't use this forum as my first attempt to solve a problem but rather a secondary source to confirm things I have researched and a way to see if there is anything I missed. Your 1 hour train ride idea is definitely worth looking into. If it is similar to the Tianjin and Shijiazhuang one where you get your own seat and plenty of space then I will most likely do this. There are trains where you have to stand and there is no room to move. So, I wouldn't want to take one of those from Beijing to Zhengzhou. I'll weed out the rotten ones when I get there. Thanks. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou

Joined: 02 Jun 2015 Posts: 1168 Location: Since 2003
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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OP:
Have you figured out how you'll actually get to China? |
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backtochina2017
Joined: 28 Nov 2016 Posts: 123
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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OP:
Have you figured out how you'll actually get to China? |
The water is lukewarm near the California beaches. I'll end up taking a connecting river when I swim to the Yangtze river.
I still got figure what to do with the luggage. Any ideas? |
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hz88
Joined: 27 Sep 2015 Posts: 162
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:49 am Post subject: |
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The reason I suggested taking the high speed train was because domestic flights in China are often prone to delays.
It is almost always cheaper to buy domestic tickets within the country you are travelling in, so you could have made two seperate bookings. The only problem with this is that if your initial flight is delayed, changed or whatever you may have trouble changing the second sector, particularly if it is a promotion ticket.
Assuming your final destination is Zhengzhou, you could have flown to Hong Kong and then from there to Zhengzhou, there are several direct flights each day.
As you say, you have taken trains before, simply look or G or D trains. Avoid T,K or others unless you have a lot of time on your hands or are skint. Zhengzhou is the epicentre of China railways and there is as I said an almost hourly high speed train rom Beijing. I can see your point about luggage, it might seem daunting taking it across Beijing by subway but it is manageable, failing that you can always take a taxi.
You could have asked someone at your intended school for help with that side of things. Even for a newbie all this information is not particularly dificult to find out. |
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backtochina2017
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| You could have asked someone at your intended school for help with that side of things. Even for a newbie all this information is not particularly dificult to find out. |
If I went with a school like English First or Web International, maybe Pattison, yea I would expect that support. Right now I am talking with one of those schools that sends you out to another school. This complicates things, the person you talk with doesn't know if the school you will teach at will actually be able to do what you are asking for. As a veteran, I know how to handle this and I prefer to do it solo, take the safe flights, gamble only when I know my terrain (I know Beijing, but I don't know Zhengzhou yet). If I went to a new country, say Thailand, I would definitely do this as a rookie. |
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astrotrain
Joined: 18 Apr 2013 Posts: 96
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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You Americans sure got it easy on the flight cost. Spent $1300 CND on a one way flight back last summer.
I can see the gist of the OP's argument, he is trying to minimize travel expenses at the same time minimize travel time which is unfortunately very hard to do.
Travelling from N.A east coast to China is a real stressful and costly endeavor. The bullet train network is awesome when you are already in China and maybe have a friend (local) with you to deal with the ticket purchase, getting to the train station, platforms etc but if you are on your own after a long 13 + hour flight with a heavy carry on and check in baggage moving easily from Airport to train station (not knowing the route) can be even more stressful. Taxies are notorious cheats on foreigners so not the best option.
I taken the HSR more than 1/2 dozen times to GZ and Guilin but I had company and no heavy bags to lug around. |
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Jmbf
Joined: 29 Jun 2014 Posts: 663
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| Sites such as Skyscanner allow you to search with different variables such as flight duration, departure times, flight routing (direct / non-direct). It's not that hard to find a suitable routing for a good price if you have a bit of flexibility with your travel dates. |
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hz88
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