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Teaching in Kunming; decent jobs? able to save?
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backtochina2017



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmbf wrote:
backtochina2017 wrote:
You want to work at a university job which pays about $1,000 with low hours. If you want to save $2,000 you have to get a job which pays at least three times that to cover living expenses.


Your wording is unclear. Are you saying three times USD $1,000 or three times USD $2,000? An income of USD 3,000 might allow for savings of USD 2,000 but then again there are too many factors to say for certain. As for USD $6,000, well that's probably in the top 1% of ESL salaries in China. If you can't save USD 2,000 on that income then you are probably doing something wrong!

backtochina2017 wrote:
Are you saying to commute between Europe and China?


He's talking about working for online schools.


If you are getting $3,000 per month teaching English, then you should buy real estate in the Tora Bora caves.
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rocket man



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

backtochina2017 wrote:
Jmbf wrote:
backtochina2017 wrote:
You want to work at a university job which pays about $1,000 with low hours. If you want to save $2,000 you have to get a job which pays at least three times that to cover living expenses.


Your wording is unclear. Are you saying three times USD $1,000 or three times USD $2,000? An income of USD 3,000 might allow for savings of USD 2,000 but then again there are too many factors to say for certain. As for USD $6,000, well that's probably in the top 1% of ESL salaries in China. If you can't save USD 2,000 on that income then you are probably doing something wrong!

backtochina2017 wrote:
Are you saying to commute between Europe and China?


He's talking about working for online schools.


If you are getting $3,000 per month teaching English, then you should buy real estate in the Tora Bora caves.


I was making over US$3000/month teaching English at a Korean Univ, also had 5 months off a year why I didn't go back is beyond me sometimes
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Whereintheworld



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you to everyone!

Your responses have been very enlightening.

It sounds like Kunming (and perhaps China in general) is out for now, but perhaps in the future - when I no longer need to save.

Good luck to all.

Cheers, W
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Brunouno



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whereintheworld wrote:
Thank you to everyone!

Your responses have been very enlightening.

It sounds like Kunming (and perhaps China in general) is out for now, but perhaps in the future - when I no longer need to save.

Good luck to all.

Cheers, W


The first couple of replies to your original message gave good advice. Working at an international school doesn't always mean chasing around little kids. I work at an international school which only offers courses for Y10-12 students. We teach IGCSE and A level courses, which I'm sure are more stimulating and prestigious than 99 percent of the uni courses here.

This is my first job in China, and I save at least $2,000 USD every month without even trying. My job isn't so unique if you're someone who has the right qualifications. I see jobs similar to mine advertised quite often.
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astrotrain



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I taught A level and AP (Economics) last year as well, Math, Physics is high demand, some salaries can be up to or > than 25K a month (experience level).

I would look into those international departments (mainly high school) if you want to be a big saver but as a licensed teacher not sure why you don't target true international schools there?
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jimpellow



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I often suggest the college prep route for those asking for advice. I didn't in this case as she seemed to be against working with children. To what extent Chinese high school students are considered children is open to debate.

I found the ones in the schools at which I worked to be quite frustrating. They came from rich families. I have heard these programs can have better students if the students come from more modest earning families. It did seem to me that the couple non-rich students were the better of the bunch.

I am not sure if she knows how unmotivated a fair amount of Chinese university students can be. Having taught women in Saudi, one would think uni students are motivated. Obvious she knows the men in Gulf states are most certainly not.

My question would be if the students in Kunming are "better" than the Han Chinese of Yunnan. I would think so from my limited experience with Chinese from that region, but I would think somebody here can offer more insight.
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ttalapp



Joined: 01 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am currently in Kunming, teaching grade 10-12 students at Canadian offshore school. The students in this program are, for the most part, hard working and respectful. Obviously, just like with any students at this age, they would do anything to cheat on the tests/ exams. Socially, they are really nice and some even dare to ask personal questions about what one did during the weekend. Can't really say the difference in learning habits between Han Chinese and from real "Kunminites" since there is a lot of migration happening at this time to Kunming. The city is growing and where i am, the north of the city, construction is being held on every empty lot. Current state of affairs, i am afraid. More jobs for teachers, i guess.
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