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theoriginalprankster
Joined: 19 Mar 2012 Posts: 895
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:59 am Post subject: What would you prefer? Stay or go? Money V Lifestyle? |
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Currently I spend about 80% of my time in the office, and only teach four 40 minute classes to a bunch of relatively intelligent 6th graders.
I prepare one lesson a week, and spend the remainder of the time reading, surfing the net, job hunting and daydreaming about places I'd like to travel to. Occasionally I study a little bit.
Most teaching gigs have you in the classroom the majority of your working hours, with some minimal office time.
I clear 290k/year. But I'm desperately bored. I like being with the students, not the drones in the office.
I'm thinking I'd settle for a lower salary in a more healthy city than SH, for the same or even slightly lower salary - I don't find SH particularly appealing, and would like better access to the mountains and/or ocean (just applied for a job in HZ).
What would you prefer? What would you do? Stay or go? |
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Jmbf
Joined: 29 Jun 2014 Posts: 663
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:09 am Post subject: |
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Depends. How are your retirement savings? How far away is retirement for you? If things are looking relatively sorted financially and you still have many years to go before retirement, I would be open to looking for more interesting yet lower paid work. |
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theoriginalprankster
Joined: 19 Mar 2012 Posts: 895
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Jmbf wrote: |
Depends. How are your retirement savings? How far away is retirement for you? If things are looking relatively sorted financially and you still have many years to go before retirement, I would be open to looking for more interesting yet lower paid work. |
No retirements savings. 10-20 years from full retirement (active as a F/T worker), although I'll always be involved in something, until they put a catheter in my willy and stick me in a room with the other demented fogeys. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou

Joined: 02 Jun 2015 Posts: 1168 Location: Since 2003
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:50 am Post subject: |
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You make 290,000rmb per year and you have no savings?
Whom do you teach and where? Please let me know when you leave. |
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theoriginalprankster
Joined: 19 Mar 2012 Posts: 895
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:18 am Post subject: |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
You make 290,000rmb per year and you have no savings?
Whom do you teach and where? Please let me know when you leave. |
I have moderate savings and I wasn't always on this package. And I live in SH - rent eats up a quarter of that figure.
I also took a year off from work, and traveled extensively, and in style.
You want a gig in SH? You can have mine if I leave in the summer. |
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getbehindthemule
Joined: 15 Oct 2015 Posts: 712 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:17 am Post subject: |
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From reading your post, you need to go, don't stay in a job you are unhappy in...life's too short mate!
I'm three years in SH and love the place to be honest. I teach primary and have office hours but there is always something going on and the days fly by. To be fair your 80% office hours and one lesson per week is a bit much to take after a while I'd imagine.
Apart from the pollution, the city has everything I need. I live out the way a little bit (the outskirts of Xujiahui) but can still go to all the expat areas with ease by metro/taxi.
Rent here is much cheaper (can get a decent 1 bedroom apartment for 3-3.5k, a nice 2 bedroom for 5-6k).
I get out the odd weekend and most hols. The likes of Moganshan is not far away for mountains and fresh air. |
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jimpellow
Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Posts: 913
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Out of curiosity, have you done some soul searching if it is not about the job nor city, but China itself?
I failed to do so in a similar situation, and took a new job in a new city, but was still not content. They talk about becoming institutionalized in the Shawshank Redemption. I think it can apply to China also. |
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theoriginalprankster
Joined: 19 Mar 2012 Posts: 895
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:23 am Post subject: |
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jimpellow wrote: |
Out of curiosity, have you done some soul searching if it is not about the job nor city, but China itself?
I failed to do so in a similar situation, and took a new job in a new city, but was still not content. They talk about becoming institutionalized in the Shawshank Redemption. I think it can apply to China also. |
Totally. I thoroughly want out of China. That is why I took a year off, and traveled SEA, and went home for a bit.
My country is a mess, and I won't be returning there. Only to visit family every other year or so. SEA - pickings are slim, bureaucracy is as bad as China, and salaries are low.
I would love to settle in the Philippines (I've been there five times), but again - no jobs in the education sector.
China is where the money is at. And perhaps I'm just a malcontent. |
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jimpellow
Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Posts: 913
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:42 am Post subject: |
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theoriginalprankster wrote: |
jimpellow wrote: |
Out of curiosity, have you done some soul searching if it is not about the job nor city, but China itself?
I failed to do so in a similar situation, and took a new job in a new city, but was still not content. They talk about becoming institutionalized in the Shawshank Redemption. I think it can apply to China also. |
Totally. I thoroughly want out of China. That is why I took a year off, and traveled SEA, and went home for a bit.
My country is a mess, and I won't be returning there. Only to visit family every other year or so. SEA - pickings are slim, bureaucracy is as bad as China, and salaries are low.
I would love to settle in the Philippines (I've been there five times), but again - no jobs in the education sector.
China is where the money is at. And perhaps I'm just a malcontent. |
I have lived in the Philippines too and you may have seen my posts in that forum. I am leaving Mexico next month, and really torn between going back to Colombia or the Philippines. I much prefer Colombia, but want to visit a girl I have been keeping in touch with since I left and the daughter of my ex-girlfriend who I grew close to and still support.
Yes, the Philippines lacks opportunities, but the Internet is now full of them. You can easily devote your time to building some income streams online. The Internet is certainly not the best there. However, it has improved in the big cities and you can find opportunities like one income stream I have now - correcting and commenting IELTS writing papers. The only one stopping you from living there is you. Beyond ESL sites, tutoring sites and sites like Indeed and Monster will reward the persistent.
I don't really do the work necessary to optimize some of my income streams. Further, most days I am not terrible busy and have no commute time and such. But to give you an idea of what is possible for what I did over the last month:
My IELTS writing gig netted me 1750.
A three day class with the same Saudi school netted me 130.
My work with Learnissimo brought in 450.
My work with CafeTalk brought in 170.
A non ELS income stream brought in 700.
You can live ok on that in the Philippines. Especially with the dollar over 50. I will stick with what I have, though the European and Japanese schools are not paying well with the dollar bubble.
As an example, I just saw a legitimate ad for tutoring Chinese high school students who will study abroad 1 on 1 for 25 and hour. No teaching license required.
You can do it easily by cutting back on the school time watching JAV and getting focused on your goal.
*Please do not PM me lurkers asking for jobs and websites. I have grown tired over the years of pointing people to places on the Internet to unearth the gold. If you can't google, you can't succeed in this day and age." |
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MuscatGary
Joined: 03 Jun 2013 Posts: 1364 Location: Flying around the ME...
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:31 am Post subject: |
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"I would love to settle in the Philippines (I've been there five times), but again - no jobs in the education sector."
Have you thought about living in the Phillipines and doing online teaching in the Chinese market? You would probably have to live in Manila or Cebu to get a reliable enough internet connection. I'm scouting this possibility right now with a view to doing it from July onwards. |
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theoriginalprankster
Joined: 19 Mar 2012 Posts: 895
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:54 am Post subject: |
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I have Gary.
I've been living 'big city life' for the last 15 years, so ideally I'd like to live in a slightly smaller city, closer to beaches, mountains, nature.
I need to get up to speed on online teaching/work. |
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jimpellow
Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Posts: 913
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:11 am Post subject: |
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Nothing against Muscat Gary's response, but I would think take a break for a while from the Chinese. Lots of other opportunities out there, though I will be the first to admit the online market for PRC children has exploded and most schools now pay quite well. Good easy income if you can get into a school that will keep your schedule full.
If I did get into the Chinese market, I would look at tutoring older students. I am a Business English teacher by specialization, but it is actually a pretty slow market online for China, as it is for adults in general, and not so well paying. Most schools will give you a lower wage which sounds aok if you don't want to deal with the kids, but then send you kids half of the time anyways.
As I mentioned in the Philippines forum, you could now probably live anywhere in the Philippines provided it has coverage by some of the providers. Each in itself is generally ok to bad, but you want to invest 20 dollars a month into speedify.net. Get yourself three different connections from three different providers and it will bind them. You can get fantastic speeds and reliability provided no typhoon or earthquake destroys the network. |
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