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[cimarch]

While I totally disagree with the IQ arguments the 'Racism' article does have some valid points.

I recently had the misfortune to see a movie called 'Undercover Brother'. While a watchable comedy (barely) I was appalled at the way every aspect of 'White' society was ridiculed and held up as indefensible/'just plain wrong'. The white characters are bumbling 'wannabes' and terms 'Whitey' and 'Cracker' are used throughout.

"So what?" you may say, "it's just a comedy, a farce."

My point is that if a movie copycat or parallel was made with all white heros, black sidekicks/buts of jokes, an evil black villan and repeated use of the N-word and 'darkie', then there would be an absolute uproar.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I'm all for equality but it must be equal for all, not just for 'minorities'.

[jeddahteacher]

Free Life Commentary,
an independent journal of comment
published on the Internet
Editor: Sean Gabb
Issue Number 125
9th August 2004


Quote The Bible: Go to Jail
by Sean Gabb
Question: When is a prisoner of conscience not a prisoner of conscience? Answer: When he is jailed for saying something politically incorrect.

Ake Green discovered this in 2003. The pastor of a Pentecostal congregation in Borgholm in Sweden, he preached a sermon during which he referred to homosexuality as "abnormal, a horrible cancerous tumour in the body of society." He also quoted some of the standard biblical injunctions against homosexuality. He was denounced to the authorities and charged under a 2002 law which makes it a criminal offence to say rude things about any of the usual privileged groups - that is, women, non-whites, non-Christians, homosexuals and so forth. He stood trial on the 15th June this year, and was at last - at the end of July, I think - sentenced to imprisonment for one month. He is not yet in prison. He remains at liberty while he appeals first to the Court of Appeal, then perhaps to the Supreme Court.

So far as I can tell, his case went unreported in the British media. Certainly, neither Amnesty International nor any other of the human rights groups took up the case. Ironically, it reached the foreign media when it was taken up by the government of a former Soviet satellite.

Vladimir Palko is the Slovak Minister of the Interior and Deputy Leader of the Slovak Christian Democrat Party (KDH). On the 2nd August this year, he spoke up in favour of the right to freedom of speech. In the course of his speech, he referred to the Green case as "a political trial, a violation of the right to freedom of expression". He added: "When I read the report I understood that a crawling tyranny is looming"(1).

He later called in the Swedish Ambassador and gave her a lecture on the meaning of human rights. She replied that "Swedish law states that public addresses cannot be used to instigate hatred towards certain group". She was supported by Kjell Yngvesson, the lawyer who handled the prosecution of Pastor Green: "One may have whatever religion one wishes, but this is an attack on all fronts against homosexuals. Collecting Bible citations on this topic as he does makes this hate speech".

"Hate speech", of course, means any statement that gives offence to the Establishment - that is, to the network of politicians, bureaucrats, educators, together with their friends and clients in the media and big business, who gain wealth, power and status from an enlarged, activist state. Officially, Europe is an area within which the traditional freedoms of thought and belief and speech and association are solidly protected. The various human rights groups generally feel obliged to look to other parts of the world for gross abuses of right. Otherwise, they tend to complain about petty discrimination against non-whites. Here is as gross an abuse of the right to free expression as can be imagined. A man is sent to prison for stating what is the orthodox position of all Christian churches, and for quoting from The Bible. And this happens in what amounts to a media blackout. But it was not really censorship or persecution, the answer will come back. This was really just "hate speech". Freedom of speech is only violated when someone is attacked for saying things with which the Establishment agrees. Anything else is fair game for the police.

The libertarian position on this is predictable but worth restating. It is my opinion, but I state it in the first person plural because it may also stand as an official pronouncement of the Libertarian Alliance:

We believe in the right to freedom of speech. This includes, though is not limited to, the right to say anything about public policy or alleged matters of fact. If someone wants to say that homosexuals are the spawn of Satan, or that black people are morally or genetically inferior to whites, or that the holocaust did not happen (but should have), or that the Prophet Mohammed was a demon-possessed, epileptic paedophile, that is his right. If he causes offence, hard luck on those offended. They have no right to legal protection against such views.

The libertarian position of homosexuality is equally predicable. We believe that consenting adults have the right to do as they please without intervention by the law. Speaking personally, I was an advocate at school in the 1970s of abolishing all the laws against homosexual activity. In 1991, I wrote the first account of the "Spanner" case - in which 15 men were prosecuted for consensual sado-masochism: one of them was convicted of "aiding and abetting an assault on himself"!. This has also been called the best account of the case. But freedom for homosexuals does not mean legal privilege against the hatred and contempt that others - however unjustly - may feel for them.

Mr Palko is a traditionalist Christian. As libertarians, we do not necessarily agree with all that be believes. We certainly do not agree with the opinions of Pastor Green. But we do believe passionately in Mr Green's right to expression of his opinions, and we denounce the Swedish Government for its authoritarian bigotry.

We also denounce the slimy hypocrisy of the "human rights" groups. They have stood by silent when they should have been upholding Pastor Green's right to freedom of speech. By their silence, they have once again revealed their true nature. They do not believe in freedom for all, but in privilege for groups that are members or clients of the Establishment.

And we praise Dr Palko for his courage in standing up for freedom of speech. As a Slovak, he can remember when people were sent to prison or even to lunatic asylums for saying things the authorities in his country did not want to hear. We should pay attention to his claim that "a crawling tyranny is looming".

Note

(1) "Slovensk� KDH bojuje proti zvrhlosti", Lidov� Noviny, Prague, 2nd August 2004. The words - not in Slovak, but put into Czech, read: "Jde o politick? proces, o poru?en? pr?va na svobodu projevu. Kdy? jsem si p?e?etl tu zpr?vu, pochopil jsem, ?e za??n? pl??iv? tyranie". This can be found on line at
http://lidovky.centrum.cz/archivln/archivln.phtml?id=280780&sec=46&d=2&m=8&y=2004&dat=20040802#clanek

Contact Details

A photograph and short biography of Vladimir Palko can be found at http://www.minv.sk/en/cont.htm. He can be e-mailed at [email protected].

The Swedish Prime Minister, G?ran Persson, can be e-mailed at
http://www.sweden.gov.se/pub/road/Classic/article/117/jsp/Render.jsp?a=214&m=popup&l=en

Further Note

Sean Gabb was Political and Economic Adviser to the Slovak Prime Minister in 1991-92.

[jeddahteacher]

Finnish Premier Apologizes For Father

Washington Times, Aug. 12

Helsinki, Finland—The prime minister of Finland has apologized for his father’s racist remarks during a newspaper interview, the Helsingin Sanomat reported Thursday.

Separately, Finland’s National Bureau of Investigation is considering whether to start a criminal investigation into comments made by former political science professor emeritus Tatu Vanhanen, father of Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen.

In his interview to a publication of Helsingin Sanomat, the professor who taught at the University of Tampere, said evolution made Europeans and North Americans more intelligent than Africans. He also said African poverty is not the fault of the white man.

Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen said the case was “more a sad matter than a burden” for him. He said the controversy would not have arisen if someone else had made the comments.

In his interview, Tatu Vanhanen also said he favors economic solidarity toward poor countries and hoped immigrants in Finland would inter-marry and assimilate into the population at large.

Police were investigating whether the comments constitute public incitement against a national group, a crime under Finnish law.

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It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong: Voltaire

[jeddahteacher]

I was getting low on gas, so I pulled into a gas station next to a new Lexus.

"Geez, look at that Mexican woman. She's got five kids in that shopping cart and none of them look older than seven," said the old White guy at the pump next to mine, as he pointed at a Mestiza and her kids moving down the sidewalk.

"Got any kids yourself?" I asked in a friendly tone of voice.

"I've got a daughter, but she's all grown up now and married," was his reply.

"Got any grandkids?" I asked.

"No. My daughter and her husband don't want to have children. They say there are too many people already."

"Yeah. Well, take care," I said, as I got back in my car and left the scene of White death that didn't even know it was death. As I drove down the street, I passed the Mexican woman with her five kids. The woman and her kids were all laughing about something or other that had nothing to do with me or the guy at the gas station. Maybe they were just laughing because they were full of life. Maybe White people will wake up and try to find that simple joy in life once more. Maybe not. One thing is certain, if White people don't fill the lands in which they live with their own people, other people will come along and do so with their people. Nature not only abhors a vacuum, but when it causes life to come into existence, it wants to fill every nook and cranny with it. And, it doesn't much care what kind of life. It's up to each type of life to struggle to be the life that fills all the comfortable nooks and crannies of existence. And if this form of life doesn't struggle... another will.
by H. Millard

[Lyov]

Changing to sociology huh? Your articles make some interesting points but of course it is only one side of a highly complex issue. In fact many a PHD has be devoted to this very subject.

On thing though. Those who control the resources of a given area are in control and are the majority. Those who control the resources are the whites. Why is everyone else clamboring for a slice of the pie? It was a free and open choice to invite those oppressed people into our land. In the case of the blacks there was no choice, white america forced them to come here. It may very well be discovered that the roots of many of the minority populations were due to a rich white man trying to cut costs in the free market society.
If all the white business men in America had good scruples they would not hire illegal immagrents at a quarter the cost of natives. If the white business didn't hire them they would be forced to go home.
The logic here is easy. Blacks came as slaves, chinese came to build railroads, ect. In an act of genuine compassion the white powers that be decided to free these people from their animal labor and stay in this wonderful country. But these people came as coolies, why should they have the chance to raise up into equal citizens? These people were specifically brought here (or allowed to come) to do the jobs the white didn't want, they were the hired help and keeping them in economic disadvantage is perfectly fair because their lot is better regardless.
Problems arise when the Jobs the America whites don't want increases, so call in more coolies (no problem, there is alot). America has far more hired help that it can really handle and keep all the native citizens in work. Who benifits? Not the average workers who keep loosing their jobs, not really the immagrent work themselves because they do have to live in poor conditions. The person that benifits is the white capitalist business man. Does he care that through his practices of keeping the labor market artifically low he keeps honest white locals in depressed economic conditions within which they believe they can not support multipal children, which then damages the population rate of whites, making them a minority in their own country? Nope, he doesn't care about that, he wants money. The birth rate can also be blamed on american culture's relentless persuit of materialistic goals and what with the depressed economic situation cause them to perpetually think that they are not in the right economic situation to afford multipal children. Now a Mexican has no such stipulations and would never imagine sending all of his 10 children to college or buying them all a car or computer. When those children grow up they go to work (taking a job that the whites at some point said they didn't want.)
The point is those white americans are not and will not be in the correct economic position to afford multipal children. More whites are not needed, the poor position jobs have already been filled by the disheveled masses which supports only a small section of white managers and business men. There is already enough unemployed whites, what the white population needs is continue reducing, so that every white will have a nice job riding on the backs of so many poor coolies.
Now don't think the minorites haven't figured out how it is and they want into those good jobs too. With the entire legal structure of America there is always a white laywer that wants to make a name by forcing a major white power to give up total access to their elite positions. Does it stop there? Oh no, that just feeds the fire and now education, business, womans rights, politics.
WHERE WILL IT ALL END?
The truth is there was a fundamental paradox embedded within American culture and like an incorrect mathmatical equation will steadly get worse and worse. It is that capitalism and equality do not go together, for one to pull himself up by his bootstraps and make a rich man out of himself people need to be below him, eventually it creates an elite minority that controls everything, everyone on the bottom can scrape it out, who cares? These people are the real whites, they understood that this equation only worked for a select few and they were determined to take them all the positions.
Now before you start blaming all the woes of America on the help your forfather's hired try to see the bigger picture.

[jeddahteacher]

I'll confess it, at least: like thousands of other typical Jewish kids of my generation, I was reared as a Jewish nationalist, even a quasi-separatist. Every summer for two months for 10 formative years during my childhood and adolescence I attended Jewish summer camp. There, each morning, I saluted a foreign flag, dressed in a uniform reflecting its colors, sang a foreign national anthem, learned a foreign language, learned foreign folk songs and dances, and was taught that Israel was the true homeland. Emigration to Israel was considered the highest virtue, and, like many other Jewish teens of my generation, I spent two summers working in Israel on a collective farm while I contemplated that possibility. More tacitly and subconsciously, I was taught the superiority of my people to the gentiles who had oppressed us. We were taught to view non-Jews as untrustworthy outsiders, people from whom sudden gusts of hatred might be anticipated, people less sensitive, intelligent, and moral than ourselves. We were also taught that the lesson of our dark history is that we could rely on no one.

I am of course simplifying a complex process of ethnic and religious identity formation; there was also a powerful counterbalancing universalistic moral component that inculcated a belief in social justice for all people and a special identification with the struggle for Negro civil rights. And it is no exaggeration to add that in some respects, of course, a substantial subset of secular Jews were historically Europe's cosmopolitans par excellence, particularly during the high noon of bourgeois culture in Central Europe. That sense of commitment to universalistic values and egalitarian ideals was and remains so strong that in reliable survey research conducted over the years, Jews regularly identify "belief in social justice" as the second most important factor in their Jewish identity; it is trumped only by a "sense of peoplehood." It also explains the long Jewish involvement in and flirtation with Marxism. But it is fair to say that Jewish universalistic tendencies and tribalism have always existed in an uneasy dialectic. We are at once the most open of peoples and one second to none in intensity of national feeling. Having made this important distinction, it must be admitted that the essence of the process of my nationalist training was to inculcate the belief that the primary division in the world was between "us" and "them." Of course we also saluted the American and Canadian flags and sang those anthems, usually with real feeling, but it was clear where our primary loyalty was meant to reside.


Dr. Stephen Steinlight was for more than five years Director of National Affairs (domestic policy) at the American Jewish Committee. For the past two and a half years he has been a Senior Fellow at AJC. He is co-editor of the forthcoming Fractious Nation: Race, Class and Culture in America at the End of the Twentieth Century (UC-Berkeley Press), and he has recently been appointed editor of South Asia: In Review.The views expressed in this essay do not reflect the current policy position of AJC with regard to immigration.

[AsiaTraveller]

Jeddah Racist:

Will you EVER post anything other than clippings from the Internet? Are you that insecure about your own opinions and views?

[Dr.J]

Don't encourage him.

Or, do, or else he might post somewhere people might actually believe him.

[Seth]

Ladies and gentlemen, the master race:

[jeddahteacher]

AP, WHDH-TV (Boston), Aug. 16


BOSTON—Police say they are seeing a surge in the number of gang-related attacks involving machetes, the huge knives that are a ubiquitous tool in rural Latin America, with blades as thick as an axe and nearly as long as a sword.

[jeddahteacher]

For Seth:
[A]nti-white hostility is not confined to liberals from any particular group based on European ethnic origin. Hostility to Euro-American culture seems to be a rite of passage into the elite; one embraced by all, and a minimum qualification, it would appear, for peddling soaps and gin through the mass media
Yggdrasil

[Seth]

For jeddahteacher:



Ygiuwon

[jeddahteacher]

When you measure the occupational attainments of samples of whites, blacks and hispanics with equal numbers of people with the same mental abilities, blacks have twice the number of people in high status occupations as whites, and latinos 1.5 times more than whites of the same ability.

The affirmative action programs and race preferences for people of color have resulted in blacks obtaining twice the number of desirable jobs at any given ability level as whites.

The discussion appears on page 321.

"But after controlling for IQ, the picture reverses. The chance of entering a high-IQ occupation for a black with an IQ of 117 (which was the average IQ of all the people in these occupations in the NLSY sample) was twice the proportion of whites with the same IQ. Latinos with an IQ of 117 had more than a 50% higher chance of entering a high-IQ occupation than whites with the same IQ. This phenomenon applies across a wide range of occupations, as discussed in more detail in Chapter 20."

In other words, you cannot measure discrimination by simply measuring the absolute number or percentage of European-Americans in high IQ jobs. To test for discrimination you must correct for the fact that there are many more European-Americans with high IQs as a percent of the population.

To test for discrimination, you have to test equal numbers of persons of the same ability, and when you do that, you find that blacks get twice the number of good jobs. For Latinos, it is 1.5 times the number of good jobs.

That is statistical evidence of massive discrimination against European-Americans.

Yggdrasil http://home.ddc.net/ygg/rb/rb-15.htm

[jeddahteacher]

The Sydney Morning Herald (Australia) "THE RACE WAR OF BLACK AGAINST WHITE" by Paul Sheehan. Saturday, 20 May 1995:

"* Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

"* Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.

"* According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.

[AsiaTraveller]

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