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santi84
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| tellersquill wrote: |
The contract is 20hrs in class - but they say lesson prep and what not may take 5-10 hours. The wage is 1000rmb per month, which is quite low, but the rent and bills are free and its a lot cheaper there than in Shanghai.
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With lesson planning, it will always take 2-3x longer (if not more) when you first start out, that's just the nature of teaching. 5-10 hours will not be realistic for a first-timer (and I would argue 5 hours is never realistic but that's how I do things). This is normal and something to prepare for when considering offers.
I can't speak for the salaries right now in Chengdu though. You should really post the offer on the China forum for some good advice. |
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tellersquill
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| For a first TEFL job in this situation I think just find a reliable job that you are fairly certain is not a scam and go with an open mind. You will learn a lot, not just on the job, but living in a new place and you will also learn what you are looking for in a place. For example you might find you'd rather a warmer or colder place. Or a bigger or smaller city. You also might find you'd rather a different age group, not everyone is cut out for working with kids for example. There is also the possibility that you will quite like it just fine. It there are a lot of other foreign TEFL teachers they will also talk about the other places they have worked and you will get a good idea of what working in those places are like and make connections that will help you get future jobs. I have hired six or seven people over the years who get in touch with me because they are currently working with one of our former teachers, and frankly those are the hires who have worked out the best. |
Yes, this is how I see it. One years teaching experience is invaluable to me right now and I can learn so much.
Besides, if it isn't the best city its only 10 months and i'll just make the most of it.
To the OP - thanks for the tip - I will post it on the china section when I see the exact contract.
I'm okay with the 40hrs to start off with (20hrs in class and 20hrs prep) and hopefully I can reduce that after a few weeks or months experience. |
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getbehindthemule
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| tellersquill wrote: |
The contract is 20hrs in class - but they say lesson prep and what not may take 5-10 hours. The wage is 1000rmb per month, which is quite low, but the rent and bills are free and its a lot cheaper there than in Shanghai.
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With lesson planning, it will always take 2-3x longer (if not more) when you first start out, that's just the nature of teaching. 5-10 hours will not be realistic for a first-timer (and I would argue 5 hours is never realistic but that's how I do things). This is normal and something to prepare for when considering offers.
I can't speak for the salaries right now in Chengdu though. You should really post the offer on the China forum for some good advice. |
Many teachers are just winging it here in China (sad but true). Teaching (effective lessons) is damn hard work and needs a lot of prep time!
It's true that prep time will decrease with time but I find I'm always trying to improve my lesssons and make them more interesting for my students (and for me). If you think that your lessons are fine and that you don't need to adapt them (once you get to know your students) and improve them using multiple resources, indicates a bad teacher imo.
I'm not saying I'm a great teacher or anything, but I've observed a lot of lessons this semester and encountered some terribly lack lustre efforts! After reading santi's post it hit home haha! |
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tellersquill
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| getbehindthemule wrote: |
| santi84 wrote: |
| tellersquill wrote: |
The contract is 20hrs in class - but they say lesson prep and what not may take 5-10 hours. The wage is 1000rmb per month, which is quite low, but the rent and bills are free and its a lot cheaper there than in Shanghai.
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With lesson planning, it will always take 2-3x longer (if not more) when you first start out, that's just the nature of teaching. 5-10 hours will not be realistic for a first-timer (and I would argue 5 hours is never realistic but that's how I do things). This is normal and something to prepare for when considering offers.
I can't speak for the salaries right now in Chengdu though. You should really post the offer on the China forum for some good advice. |
Many teachers are just winging it here in China (sad but true). Teaching (effective lessons) is damn hard work and needs a lot of prep time!
It's true that prep time will decrease with time but I find I'm always trying to improve my lesssons and make them more interesting for my students (and for me). If you think that your lessons are fine and that you don't need to adapt them (once you get to know your students) and improve them using multiple resources, indicates a bad teacher imo.
I'm not saying I'm a great teacher or anything, but I've observed a lot of lessons this semester and encountered some terribly lack lustre efforts! After reading santi's post it hit home haha! |
Isnt the celta rule that for every hour you teach you need an hour of prep? |
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spiral78
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There is no one-size-fits-all for prep.
I write courses at university level and our standard is 3 hours for 1 hour of contact, BUT we use the courses in subsequent years (with reasonable revision and updates, of course), so in the long-term the time invested goes down.
If you are writing a lesson for kiddies, it may be an entirely different animal in terms of prep time from writing for adult businesspeople.
And, whether you are/aren't using a coursebook is obviously an important factor. |
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santi84
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| tellersquill wrote: |
| getbehindthemule wrote: |
| santi84 wrote: |
| tellersquill wrote: |
The contract is 20hrs in class - but they say lesson prep and what not may take 5-10 hours. The wage is 1000rmb per month, which is quite low, but the rent and bills are free and its a lot cheaper there than in Shanghai.
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With lesson planning, it will always take 2-3x longer (if not more) when you first start out, that's just the nature of teaching. 5-10 hours will not be realistic for a first-timer (and I would argue 5 hours is never realistic but that's how I do things). This is normal and something to prepare for when considering offers.
I can't speak for the salaries right now in Chengdu though. You should really post the offer on the China forum for some good advice. |
Many teachers are just winging it here in China (sad but true). Teaching (effective lessons) is damn hard work and needs a lot of prep time!
It's true that prep time will decrease with time but I find I'm always trying to improve my lesssons and make them more interesting for my students (and for me). If you think that your lessons are fine and that you don't need to adapt them (once you get to know your students) and improve them using multiple resources, indicates a bad teacher imo.
I'm not saying I'm a great teacher or anything, but I've observed a lot of lessons this semester and encountered some terribly lack lustre efforts! After reading santi's post it hit home haha! |
Isnt the celta rule that for every hour you teach you need an hour of prep? |
CELTA is just one brand name of a variety of TESL certificates (and a minimal, one-month one at that). They don't make any sort of hard rule about teaching in practice for the rest of us. One hour of prep for every hour of teaching is not unreasonable for a new teacher but once you get experience, your prep time varies wildly (some do much more, some do much less). |
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HLJHLJ
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| tellersquill wrote: |
Isnt the celta rule that for every hour you teach you need an hour of prep? |
During the course yes, that's not a golden rule for when you are actually teaching. |
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tellersquill
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| tellersquill wrote: |
Isnt the celta rule that for every hour you teach you need an hour of prep? |
During the course yes, that's not a golden rule for when you are actually teaching. |
Is it usually higher or lower (based on teaching young learners)?
That 20hr teaching offer might soon turn into 60hrs! |
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santi84
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| tellersquill wrote: |
| HLJHLJ wrote: |
| tellersquill wrote: |
Isnt the celta rule that for every hour you teach you need an hour of prep? |
During the course yes, that's not a golden rule for when you are actually teaching. |
Is it usually higher or lower (based on teaching young learners)?
That 20hr teaching offer might soon turn into 60hrs! |
40-60 hours is not unusual for a new teacher and 40-50 is still pretty standard for the teaching profession in general. You will expect to find the same after PGCE.
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