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voyagerksa
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Maybe not by Saudis, but they can be replaced by expat Arabs. The handwriting may be on the wall, so to speak. |
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psychedelicacy
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 6:45 am Post subject: |
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Maybe not by Saudis, but they can be replaced by expat Arabs. The handwriting may be on the wall, so to speak. |
You don't appear to understand.
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"The Ministry of Civil Service has asked all ministries and government departments to get rid of all expatriate workers within three years, according to deputy minister Abdullah Al-Melfi.
The ministry said that there were 70,000 expats in the public sector at the end of last year.
“There will be no expatriate workers in the government after 2020,” he told a meeting here on Monday." |
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sicklyman
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| Similarly, we don't compete with foreigners for jobs in our home countries. |
Guess you missed one of the main motivations for the UK leaving the EU then.
Feel free to speak out against us generalising about Saudis while you generalise about the rest of us!  |
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sicklyman
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| voyagerksa wrote: |
| Maybe not by Saudis, but they can be replaced by expat Arabs. The handwriting may be on the wall, so to speak. |
And how long will it be before those expat Arabs are Saudis? Offer citizenship to Arabs and, bingo, Saudization job done! |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| Similarly, we don't compete with foreigners for jobs in our home countries. |
Guess you missed one of the main motivations for the UK leaving the EU then. |
I don't mean gigs flipping burgers or assembling widgets in a factory. I was referring to competition for high-skilled jobs -- those that Americans, for example, would be interested in and qualified for. However, it's difficult for Americans to obtain a visa/permit to legally work in, say, the UK for positions meant for Britons.
For KSA, the Nitaqat system under Saudization restricts the number of expats a company can hire. I suspect the criteria will be amended to impact more foreign workers if the Saudi government moves forward with its 2020 goal. |
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siologen
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 11:53 am Post subject: re: saudi the new china? |
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| So... You contend that 1) Saudis who complete a TESOL-related MA and/or doctorate in the US, for example, acquire academic English for their studies but never learn the nuances of the English language; and 2) the only qualification needed to teach EFL is native English fluency. Seriously? Saudi Arabia isn't China. |
To respond to both your points, as you did reply to my post.
1) I generally agree, but not in terms of idioms, or slang, no.
"On Ilkla Moor Baht 'at"
Do you know what that means? No, because it is not American English, therefore, how could a Saudi even know, it would be unfair to expect them to. Nuances and slang that only a native speaker from northern england would know....much as I,as a Brit, may not know some new fangled, arty,trendy modernisms from the USA.
2) Agreed, the KSA is not China, but I did not mention that it was.
I hope that clarifies somewhat. |
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In the heat of the moment
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder how this will impact demand for places at private universities? Also if it sees private universities prospering at the expense of government, will the minister or King make an announcement that key expatriates are exempt? The same could be said for hospitals, and most likely many other industries.
BTW that picture is hysterical. |
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hash
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2buckets
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Well you can different kinds of locals. Most Saudis are 220v. Some are 110. Quite a lot are high voltage - three phase. An outsider sees a thobe and thinks that these guys are all the same. In fact they are incredible diverse.
You may live to be surprised at what can get done in KSA. I remember Iran pre-1979. Conventional wisdom was that western "advisors" and "experst" were essential. It turned out differently. Maybe KSA will surprise us all ! |
Yes, I would be surprised.
Iranians didn't have a free ride from the government. They knew how to work
hard and be productive. Per capita, many more were educated in the west and returned with that expertise.
In my experience in Iran, I found the students far more motivated than in KSA and the UAE. Education was the key to a successful future in a society where the gov't didn't hand out everything to the populace. That may change in KSA as the economy tightens, but it will take at least a generation for that change to come. If johnslat returns, he may agree with that.
BTW, what happened to johnsat, I miss him. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I am not suggesting that KSA will repeat the Iranian experience. I just wanted to point out the dangers of trying to predict the future. |
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sicklyman
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
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| Similarly, we don't compete with foreigners for jobs in our home countries. |
Guess you missed one of the main motivations for the UK leaving the EU then. |
I don't mean gigs flipping burgers or assembling widgets in a factory. |
Are you now generalising that the British public are feeling narked because they can't get a job at Burger King... or, worse, that EU migrants to the UK are only suitable to do mindless employment? |
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siologen
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 11:35 am Post subject: re: Uk soviet republic, EUSSR |
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| Are you now generalising that the British public are feeling narked because they can't get a job at Burger King... or, worse, that EU migrants to the UK are only suitable to do mindless employment? |
A good point, and conversation seems fluid, so I guess it is ok to add to it. Or worse is she suggesting that UK TEFL teachers who go to Saudi to teach are only capable of working at burger king back in the godforsaken UK?
That said, each to their own. If there are those who are happy in the UK or EUSSR, paying taxes, and grinding away in the system, more power to them. I for one would not be happy in nomad souls native homeland, where medical bills are astronomical and there is 40 percent unemployment, and no street lighting in some places.....far better to go middle, or even far east, it would seem, if there is nothing to hold you there    |
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kona
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| FYI Saudi Arabia has been sending more students to the west (predominantly to the US) compared to other countries in the GCC. |
That's changed though, the Saudi scholarship program was curtailed to only top 50 unis in the US at the beginning of last year, which in effect, cut the Saudi student numbers massively.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/09/news/saudi-arabia-students-overseas/
I went to Central Washington University for my masters in 2011-12, and over 2/3 of the international students in the IEP were from Saudi; I bet they're nearly all gone now. Checked their website, and they now have half the instructors (and who knows what hours they're working; some could be part time).
WSJ wrote an article about the international student population collapse for Eastern Washington University earlier last year.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-colleges-bounty-of-foreign-students-thins-1464085091 |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| The number of students from China, India, Kuwait, etc. has dropped as well due to the current political tone and visa situation in the US. Regardless, those Saudis not on scholarship will either pay out of pocket to study abroad or attend university closer to home to further their education. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Mass Higher Education through the medium of English was the plan, but that is beginning to change. |
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