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nomad soul
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Here's why 12k SAR a month sucks: You have to live in Saudi Arabia. Because of that hardship, I'd expect a ton more money than I could get back home or indeed anywhere else.
$38,400 a year plus accomodation can be had in a great many places, all of them nicer than Saudi Arabia. Saudi should offer a LOT more due to the downside of having to live there. Like, $25k more than the nearest competitor, since that's effectively the 'price' of having to live in the KSA for a year.
Not particularly interested in the job market in the US either since it's obviously going to be a crap market.
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Lol, course it's a hardship post. You suffer huge social restrictions. |
The "you" you're referring to obviously describes yourself and your perceived emotional suffering. 
Those who want to go to KSA for whatever reason -- do; while others look elsewhere (and rightly so). But this is more about your indignation at being offered 12000 SAR (and not a "ton of money") by some contracting company than it is about your social life. Saudi employers aren't concerned about your expectations of the country nor difficulty adapting; they leave that to you, as an adult, to figure out. So forget about feeling entitled.
That said, it's unclear why you're even applying for jobs in KSA since you stated on another thread that you've been offered $50,000 USD per year to teach at an international school in Russia starting this September. That's good considering you only have one year of teaching experience. Moreover, Russia is likely to appeal to your social interests. It's a no brainer. |
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scot47
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| Hardship posting ? Try a state secondary school in an urban area of Britain. Airstrip One is no place for the fainthearted. I would take US$4000 and free accommodation on KFUPM Campus any day ! (= SAR 15,000) |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| BA plus CELTA plus 12 years' experience netted ne 13500SAR offer. |
Although you decided to accept another offer, I'm curious as to how many of those 12 years KFUPM credited you for as verified teaching experience.
For many direct-hire situations, the job offer is generally a conditional contract for employment. In other words, it's per the condition that the job candidate's nationality, education, and experience are verified. When the new employee arrives in country, he/she is expected to produce the original, signed employment verification letters or certificates to confirm the years of experience used to calculate that conditional salary. The employee then signs the actual employment contract, which also indicates start and end dates. |
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I-forgot
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Different folks, diferent strokes.
You can have a very active social life in Saudi wih very little effort. I certainly did and I don't consider myself particularly outgoing.
That said, I do consider it a 'hardship post' in many respects. As a woman, perhaps I felt it more than some of the others on this board. The fact remains, it wasn't 'hard' enough to prevent me from doing three contracts there. |
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leggeymountbatten
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The offer of 15,200 was also from this year.
In this instance the applicant had a non related MA and Kfupm refused to acknowledge the MA as part of the package. The applicant was just paid on the basis of the BA.
Inconsistency??
Part of the Saudi "mess." |
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nomad soul
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| leggeymountbatten wrote: |
In this instance the applicant had a non related MA and Kfupm refused to acknowledge the MA as part of the package. The applicant was just paid on the basis of the BA.
Inconsistency?? |
Maybe his MA entailed online course credits. Or his BA was more relevant than his MA. Who knows. Folks don't always provide a complete, accurate picture of their qualifications.
Anyway...
From a recent 2017 KFUPM prep year posting on a TEFL job board:
Essential Requirements:
• Male
• Place of Birth: the US, Canada, the UK, Ireland, Australia or New Zealand.
• Native speakers of English
• Graduate of an Anglophone university
Qualifications/Experience:
A full-time MA in TEFL/TESOL/Applied Linguistics or a related discipline plus two years’ post qualification overseas experience.
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Either a one-year postgraduate diploma in TEFL/TESOL from an accredited university plus two years’ overseas experience, or a RSA/UCLES DELTA with two years’ overseas experience.
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A BA/BSc degree with a full-time 120-hour postgraduate certificate in TEFL/TESOL including a practicum (e.g. CELTA, CTEFLA) plus five years’ experience. . |
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AV15
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| AV15 wrote: |
Here's why 12k SAR a month sucks: You have to live in Saudi Arabia. Because of that hardship, I'd expect a ton more money than I could get back home or indeed anywhere else.
$38,400 a year plus accomodation can be had in a great many places, all of them nicer than Saudi Arabia. Saudi should offer a LOT more due to the downside of having to live there. Like, $25k more than the nearest competitor, since that's effectively the 'price' of having to live in the KSA for a year.
Not particularly interested in the job market in the US either since it's obviously going to be a crap market.
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Lol, course it's a hardship post. You suffer huge social restrictions. |
The "you" you're referring to obviously describes yourself and your perceived emotional suffering.
Those who want to go to KSA for whatever reason -- do; while others look elsewhere (and rightly so). But this is more about your indignation at being offered 12000 SAR (and not a "ton of money") by some contracting company than it is about your social life. Saudi employers aren't concerned about your expectations of the country nor difficulty adapting; they leave that to you, as an adult, to figure out. So forget about feeling entitled.
That said, it's unclear why you're even applying for jobs in KSA since you stated on another thread that you've been offered $50,000 USD per year to teach at an international school in Russia starting this September. That's good considering you only have one year of teaching experience. Moreover, Russia is likely to appeal to your social interests. It's a no brainer. |
Woah, back up here. I've never applied for anything in Saudi. I'm just saying it's a joke that a lot of employers are only offering 12k SAR a month. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| AV15 wrote: |
| nomad soul wrote: |
| AV15 wrote: |
| Here's why 12k SAR a month sucks: You have to live in Saudi Arabia. Because of that hardship, I'd expect a ton more money than I could get back home or indeed anywhere else. |
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Woah, back up here. I've never applied for anything in Saudi. I'm just saying it's a joke that a lot of employers are only offering 12k SAR a month. |
You insinuated that you have, and by posting on this particular thread, that KFUPM, an established, respected Saudi university that hires directly, pays 12000 SAR a month, along with "a lot of employers." Add the tired, stereotypical argument of KSA being a hardship... It's "hard" to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not trolling.
Anyway, good luck in Russia or wherever else you're seeking work. |
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siologen
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 8:40 pm Post subject: re: definitely |
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| Hardship posting ? Try a state secondary school in an urban area of Britain. |
Definitely, more are leaving the profession than joining. I know from a family member that teaching in a secondary school in the UK is a right duckwalk. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| AV15 makes sweeping judgements about KSA but has never worked there. (Or anywhere else in the Middle East ?) |
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