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JeremyDay
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 Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 4:12 pm Post subject: Also... |
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It is interesting to note that the following link also talks about bogus credentials:
https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/legal-matters/academic-credentials.html
At the very bottom of the page, they point out that the diploma could be fake. It is merely the notary that they are verifying.
Also, the above reference by the previous poster about diplomas and transcripts not being notarized... this refers to foreign diplomas and transcripts, etc. This is not in reference to American diplomas, etc.
If I were you, I would try and have the consular notary do their thing (if they offered to). Then I would forego sending the diploma to the Washington D.C. office and see if the Chinese embassy will give you the magic square authentication certificate without the extra step. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: Also... |
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I used the above instructions to prepare my diploma. Then, I took it myself to my secretary of state. I used a real diploma.
I understand why people are saying that your university should do the notarization, but some universities don't do it! There is more than one path to fulfilling the requirements. |
Since you brought it up, I'm curious as to which US universities don't provide this basic service and why. Obviously, if it's a university with questionable accreditation (i.e., not in the CHEA's database) then it's not likely to draw further attention to that fact. Additionally, former students who owe money to their university will have their request for notarization turned down unless they settle their debt. Yep. (Posters on this forum who claim they couldn't get their diploma notarized by their uni may not have presented the entire picture.)
That said, job seekers (in good standing) need to be clear with their uni registrar that they're requesting notarization and not authentication. Universities do not authenticate diplomas.
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If the university provides the notary, the secretary of state is still just verifying the authority of the notary that took statement made by the university official.
That is why I believe that the consular notary can do the same thing. The Department of State verifies the authority of the notary rather than your particular secretary of state. That is the only difference. |
Your use of "I believe" shows your uncertainly. As stated previously, per the US State Dept: "U.S. embassies and consulates cannot authenticate diplomas or other documents from universities and other schools in the United States or provide notarial services related to such credentials." That refers to US citizens living abroad.
Here's my take:
If you're in good standing with your (accredited) US university, but for some odd reason, the registrar will not verify the validity of your degree, then contact the bursar or provost with your request. They're officials of the university and can either complete and sign the affidavit themselves in the presence of a uni notary or direct the registrar to do it.
Otherwise... Contact your state Secretary's authentications department for guidance. They're the entity that affixes the certificate of authentication to the diploma. Each state has specific instructions and state laws about authentication (usually posted on their website) and may not accept notarized diplomas that deviate from their requirements. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| JeremyDay wrote: |
Also, the above reference by the previous poster about diplomas and transcripts not being notarized... this refers to foreign diplomas and transcripts, etc. This is not in reference to American diplomas, etc.
If I were you, I would try and have the consular notary do their thing (if they offered to). Then I would forego sending the diploma to the Washington D.C. office and see if the Chinese embassy will give you the magic square authentication certificate without the extra step. |
More uncertainty.
Since I'm the poster you're referring to, that info I provided is for US citizens with degrees from universities in the US. (Foreigner visitors use info from the US embassy in their specific home country and not from the US State Dept's main website.) Better yet, see Authentications and Apostilles for the US State Dept's services for Americans. For example, I was born outside the US and when I needed to replace my FS-240 (Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a U.S. Citizen), this was the webpage I went to for that info. It's also where I got the link for having my degree authenticated.
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Hermosillo
Joined: 17 Jun 2014
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Location: Chiang Mai, Thailand
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| At a Stated school it is likely that the President of your uni is a notary. The state will verify his signature and seal on your diploma. |
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JeremyDay
Joined: 11 Apr 2016
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:03 pm Post subject: eNotary |
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You could also try out an eNotary service like this one: https://www.notarycam.com/legal/
The Notary is the only thing holding you back. Every other step of the process does not require your presence.
Good luck. |
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