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Edward-SoCal
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 Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 5:33 pm Post subject: FBI check from US, even when living in EU for past 3 years? |
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So I'm gathering my documents for a position I've been accepted for at a Chinese university, and just as I am about to try and get the required FBI background check from the US, I read online that what they need for teaching positions in China is a background check from the actually place of residence (where one has lived for the past 3 years). Well, for me, that happens to be the Republic of Georgia - here at the extreme end of Europe, where I've been living for the past 5 years.
What to do now? Get a background check from Georgian authorities?
Thanks for your thoughts!
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I think this would depend on the jurisdiction where you are applying. They seem to vary in terms of how they interpret this requirement. I think you will need to have the university nail it down with the local authorities. Nail down being defines as doing as much as you can from your end to make sure all parties on the Chinese end are certain before you start the process. |
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The bear
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 11:16 pm Post subject: Re: FBI check from US, even when living in EU for past 3 yea |
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| Edward-SoCal wrote: |
So I'm gathering my documents for a position I've been accepted for at a Chinese university, and just as I am about to try and get the required FBI background check from the US, I read online that what they need for teaching positions in China is a background check from the actually place of residence (where one has lived for the past 3 years). Well, for me, that happens to be the Republic of Georgia - here at the extreme end of Europe, where I've been living for the past 5 years.
What to do now? Get a background check from Georgian authorities?
Thanks for your thoughts!
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Ask the employer. I've only heard 'country of origin' not country of residence. I have heard of people who have lived in China for 10 + years and they had to have an FBI check done (they're American). |
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Edward-SoCal
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 6:11 am Post subject: Re: FBI check from US, even when living in EU for past 3 yea |
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| The bear wrote: |
Ask the employer. I've only heard 'country of origin' not country of residence. I have heard of people who have lived in China for 10 + years and they had to have an FBI check done (they're American). |
Thanks for that. Hopefully, I manage to get it done before July 1. Their deadlines are unforgiving. |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 5:58 am Post subject: Re: FBI check from US, even when living in EU for past 3 yea |
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| Edward-SoCal wrote: |
| The bear wrote: |
Ask the employer. I've only heard 'country of origin' not country of residence. I have heard of people who have lived in China for 10 + years and they had to have an FBI check done (they're American). |
Thanks for that. Hopefully, I manage to get it done before July 1. Their deadlines are unforgiving. |
I don't know Bear. Googling it up does bring up mentions of 'country of residence'. Chengdu apparently required both for at least a while. I have seen this pop up on boards, but I will certainly agree that it seems most of the time, and in most of the places it is country of origin. This shows the poster how screwed up these things are in China. And this is from four years back, which means it has mutated many times since.
"The new law and State Council regulations don’t specifically require a criminal background check. In fact, while the draft State Council regulations required submission of a “certificate of no criminal conviction” at the visa application stage (art.  , that was dropped in the final regulations (art. 7). Still, agencies have the power to create rules requiring a criminal background check. For example, the Beijing Municipal Bureau of Human Resources and Social Security has announced that employment license applicants will need to submit a “certificate of no criminal conviction” (also known as a police clearance letter) from their COUNTRY OF RESIDENCE, effective July 1. Beijing joins other cities, such as Suzhou and Nanjing, which already have similar requirements in place."
It is nice to hear what is simplest. Unfortunately, one receives no sympathy from a Chinese bureaucrat, who will have no problem in denying you, in the event that what you submit is not what that jurisdiction demands at that particular point in time.
Out of curiosity, where is the position? |
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Iloveamma
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FBI check? Is that standard procedure?
I mean, it's China. But that sounds intense.
Do all positions require this? I'd have the same issue.
Do other countries in Asia require the same?
Singapore? Malaysia? |
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nomad soul
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Iloveamma:
Best to ask on those specific forums. Keep in mind, visa regs, in general, can and do change, as job seekers to China are finding out. |
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The bear
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Iloveamma wrote: |
FBI check? Is that standard procedure?
I mean, it's China. But that sounds intense.
Do all positions require this? I'd have the same issue.
Do other countries in Asia require the same?
Singapore? Malaysia? |
Hell, it's not even China specific. Different provinces have different requirements. Generally speaking the further south or west you go the looser they are. |
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Iloveamma
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| The bear wrote: |
| Iloveamma wrote: |
FBI check? Is that standard procedure?
I mean, it's China. But that sounds intense.
Do all positions require this? I'd have the same issue.
Do other countries in Asia require the same?
Singapore? Malaysia? |
Hell, it's not even China specific. Different provinces have different requirements. Generally speaking the further south or west you go the looser they are. |
Ohhh. This board is amazing with so much good information. So in a place like Guil there may not be any FBI CHECK? I won't do one...as a matter of principle. What about Shenzhen area? Will they require it? If I were to go to a training center, for expample? |
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The bear
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Iloveamma wrote: |
| The bear wrote: |
| Iloveamma wrote: |
FBI check? Is that standard procedure?
I mean, it's China. But that sounds intense.
Do all positions require this? I'd have the same issue.
Do other countries in Asia require the same?
Singapore? Malaysia? |
Hell, it's not even China specific. Different provinces have different requirements. Generally speaking the further south or west you go the looser they are. |
Ohhh. This board is amazing with so much good information. So in a place like Guil there may not be any FBI CHECK? I won't do one...as a matter of principle. What about Shenzhen area? Will they require it? If I were to go to a training center, for expample? |
I've not heard of Guil, do you mean Guilin?
Can't speak from personal experience or know anyone working there recently, though my instinct is to say 'not needed. Same for Shenzhen, Shenzhen is in Guangdong and that province is quite loose. I know a friend moving to Guangdong and they didn't have to do any of the new requirements.
Of course, there's always the chance of the FAO wanting to 'dot the Is and cross the Ts' as it were and still ask for them. But this policy isn't nationwide just yet.
I'd like to say I support the extra checks, they're sensible. However it's the way they've been implemented (or not) that I have issue with. As well as the added start up costs, it's making China less and less attractive. |
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Iloveamma
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| The bear wrote: |
| Iloveamma wrote: |
| The bear wrote: |
| Iloveamma wrote: |
FBI check? Is that standard procedure?
I mean, it's China. But that sounds intense.
Do all positions require this? I'd have the same issue.
Do other countries in Asia require the same?
Singapore? Malaysia? |
Hell, it's not even China specific. Different provinces have different requirements. Generally speaking the further south or west you go the looser they are. |
Ohhh. This board is amazing with so much good information. So in a place like Guil there may not be any FBI CHECK? I won't do one...as a matter of principle. What about Shenzhen area? Will they require it? If I were to go to a training center, for expample? |
I've not heard of Guil, do you mean Guilin?
Can't speak from personal experience or know anyone working there recently, though my instinct is to say 'not needed. Same for Shenzhen, Shenzhen is in Guangdong and that province is quite loose. I know a friend moving to Guangdong and they didn't have to do any of the new requirements.
Of course, there's always the chance of the FAO wanting to 'dot the Is and cross the Ts' as it were and still ask for them. But this policy isn't nationwide just yet.
I'd like to say I support the extra checks, they're sensible. However it's the way they've been implemented (or not) that I have issue with. As well as the added start up costs, it's making China less and less attractive. |
Oh yeah..sorry. Typing on my phone. GUILIN. Thanks for the input. Then I won't rule out China. Good.  |
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Iloveamma
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Does anybody know if a background check is critical in Shenzhen?
Actually, after I left the USA my identity was stolen...All this insanity is on my credit check so getting a background check would not help me. Although I have ten years which appear okay.
Do you know if Guangdong requires these checks? This name is hilarious to me...no offense to anybody.  |
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isitts
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| Iloveamma wrote: |
| Does anybody know if a background check is critical in Shenzhen? |
I can't speak for all places in China, but I'd applied for positions in Suzhou, Shanghai, Chengdu, and Shenzhen. None of them required a national background check. They only required a local police check from my home country.
I had also been applying for K-land at the time and so I‘d already gotten FBI background checks for that. Suzhou employer was reluctant to accept the FBI check and kept insisting on the local police check. When I told her that I hadn’t been living in the US for the past six years and that getting a local check would be difficult, she wanted to know if I could get a background check in Korea (where I’d been living). I told her that would also be difficult as I wasn’t there anymore.
Shenzhen employer didn’t care one way or another which background check I gave them so long as they received one. But I don’t know if they would have accepted one from a third party country.
Long story short, you’ll just have to ask the employer you’re applying to work for. |
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