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blackguy-n-Asia



Joined: 21 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:36 pm    Post subject: Stereotypes anyone? Reply with quote

Importing stereotypes of Western culture should be forbidden by the Geneva Convention.

Many teachers seem to have a need for teaching 'other cultures' by showing classy movies that are regarded as entertainment in the West. They should be careful.

An example would be:

"I teach about African culture in America by showing movies like Friday, Boyz in the Hood and Shaft. We then talk about guns, violence and drugs."

or

" I try to bring Italian culture to my students with movies like Casino, Goodfellas or showing The Sopranos."
We then have a discussion on the Mafia, cement galoshes and words like bada-bing"

or

"Watching Braveheart got my class in tune with Scotts"

Please be careful what you teach your students, there may be a budding Adolf Hitler in the class, just waiting to learn about your biased opinion of others.
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Ludwig



Joined: 26 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for a post full of such outstanding insights. It is sure to help the teachers of Hong Kong.

Have you perhaps considered forwarding your proposal onto the EMB and/or some local universities? I am sure they would be interested in your research.
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Mark-O



Joined: 25 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks b-n-a!

If I come to Hong Kong and teach primary, I'll think twice about putting in an '18 certificate' dvd in the machine so as not to promote inaccurate racial stereotypes which may in turn lead to global genocide.
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migo



Joined: 04 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Importing stereotypes of Western culture should be forbidden by the Geneva Convention.


How about leave the Geneva Convention for important things. If you waste useless crap like that on it, countries will be much more likely to just ignore everything in it.
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blackguy-n-Asia



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why so ignorant in Hong Kong?

"We don't need to know about racism here!" Not important? If you think that, you shouldn't be a teacher.

I've posted this on other sites. Japan, China, etc I don't get the same level of blunt ignorance.

Maybe Ludwig has five other aliases that all talk trash Crying or Very sad

Teaching about racism is as important as any other subject.

Enlighten yourself and others.
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Mark-O



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackguy-n-Asia wrote:
Why so ignorant in Hong Kong? ...... Enlighten yourself and others.


Excuse me, but who are you to tell the teachers on this forum that they are "ignorant" to racism, or worse still, that they should "enlighten" themselves to said subject?

To be quite frank, your initial post was hugely patronising to say the least, and at worse stenched of troll bait. What on earth made you think that Hong Kong teachers are dense and irresponsible enough to show school children, or otherwise, violent 18-certificate films and preach cultural stereotypes from them?
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migo



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've posted this on other sites. Japan, China, etc I don't get the same level of blunt ignorance.


That's because in the Japan forum they're discreetly mocking you. Here Ludwig and Mark-O are doing it straight to your face. You should be greatful that they're being straighforward with you.
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once again



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark o wrote

" Excuse me, but who are you to tell the teachers on this forum that they are "ignorant" to racism, or worse still, that they should "enlighten" themselves to said subject?"

Mark-O, it is certainly a fair comment and well made. The intelligent should not need to be reminded of such things...but

Ludwig wrote

"In addition, I am (said to be) fully fluent in Mandarin, though with a mere four tones and the limited conversations that this language�s speakers conduct this is not exactly difficult."

I think comments like that show a kind of insidious cultural prejudice that certainly needs to be corrected. To suggest that all Mandarin speakers have nothing but limited conversations shows that even the most highly qualified and indeed, the most vocal about their qualifications, need to be reminded of what may be harboured prejudices.
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Ludwig



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackguy-n-Asia wrote:
Why so [sic] ignorant in Hong Kong?

Who, exactly, is the subject here? Anyway, assuming an instance of (somewhat strange) ellipsis, I would have to say that no one is so much "ignorant", as more generally less willing to suffer fools.

blackguy-n-Asia wrote:
"We don't need to know about racism here!" Not important??

No one - to my knowledge (based on reading the above posts) at least - has even so much as suggested that "we" do not "need" to know about such issues "here", rather, that they do not neccesarily feel that they need to be told it by such an obvious cretin (who, as it happens, is not even in Asia, let alone Hong Kong) in such a puerile manner. As noted by 'Mark-O', your post was at best "hugely patronising", and at worst, "stenched of troll bait".

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