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BigZen
Joined: 19 Aug 2009 Posts: 56 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:34 pm Post subject: Going Rate for Private English Lessons |
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Hello Everyone,
I am considering accepting a job at a university. With 16 teaching hours/week, I figure I will have quite a bit of free time. With average salaries at universities ranging from 6,000-9,000 RMB/month, I would like to know if I could supplement my income with private lessons, and how much do teachers usually charge for a one-hour lesson.
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jaybet3
Joined: 15 Dec 2010 Posts: 140 Location: Indonesia
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:31 am Post subject: |
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I was getting 250 RMB per hour in Chongqing. I actually had more work than I could handle and would refer potential clients to my friends.
I have friends who were getting that amount per hour and the client was buying them drinks and dinner.
You have to analyze who your client is and what they're willing to pay.
Also, what is your time worth. Consider travel time, etc.
I found if you ask for a high number first you can always negotiate down to the number you will really accept. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou

Joined: 02 Jun 2015 Posts: 1168 Location: Since 2003
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:17 am Post subject: |
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Mmmm... I think that before you start counting your chickens, you might want to consider establishing yourself as an effective and likeable teacher. Your students will come to you. Your rate for long-term tutees will be established by your reputation.
Much luck |
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Jmbf
Joined: 29 Jun 2014 Posts: 663
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
| Mmmm... I think that before you start counting your chickens, you might want to consider establishing yourself as an effective and likeable teacher. Your students will come to you. Your rate for long-term tutees will be established by your reputation. |
+1. The rates you can charge depend on many factors but are primarily influenced by your reputation and location. Rates vary from less than RMB 200 / hr up to and over RMB 500 / hr. A hardworking teacher in the right location can double their university income with private work on the side once they get established.
There is some relevant information about tutoring in this thread:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?p=1269907&highlight=#1269907 |
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Kalkstein
Joined: 25 Aug 2016 Posts: 80
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:28 am Post subject: |
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Some tips I've figured out for myself
Never take less than 300/hour, even when you're starting out. The lower you start out the less you'll be able to negotiate up to. I'm in a tier 88 and I still get people paying 300/hour for 1-1.
Don't teach your colleague's kids unless in huge classes because they will likely be poor (teachers are). Try to find richer clients.
Don't work for another school part time, find your own clients. They will always undercut you and complain if you take their student base.
Make them pay annually/every 6 months. This way if people miss lessons it's their own fault. I can't stress this one enough, when I was teaching kids and making them pay per lesson they took days off 20% of the time. I charge everyone annually now and they need to pay every year regardless of how many classes they attend. No refunds. It also means the students I have actually do pay attention and learn.
Make them come to you, I still have 2 clients who I have to travel but I'm going to drop them if they don't come to my residence. It really takes too much time.
If a parent or kid seems too much hassle to teach, don't sweat it. Drop them and make it clear why. You can find more students, it's not always about finding students quickly it's about finding the right clients as with any business. I would rather teach a class of 5 behaved students for 300 RMB/h, than 10 students with shitty parents for 1000/h. They'll also be much more likely to be returning customers. |
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Jmbf
Joined: 29 Jun 2014 Posts: 663
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| Kalkstein wrote: |
| Never take less than 300/hour, even when you're starting out. The lower you start out the less you'll be able to negotiate up to. I'm in a tier 88 and I still get people paying 300/hour for 1-1. |
I think this varies by location and by teacher. I've been able to increase my rates regularly across nearly all my students. In fact, one of the methods I used to establish my initial student base was to deliberately undercharge (slightly) and then once hooked, gradually up the student rates. I've used this quite effectively over the years to increase my student rates from an average of RMB 200 / hr up to the current average RMB 500 - 600 / hr. I acknowledge this method might not work in all locations however.
| Kalkstein wrote: |
| Don't teach your colleague's kids unless in huge classes because they will likely be poor (teachers are). Try to find richer clients. |
+1. Finding the right clients is important. If you can gain traction in the right parent's groups then it becomes much easier to demand higher rates.
| Kalkstein wrote: |
| Don't work for another school part time, find your own clients. They will always undercut you and complain if you take their student base. |
+1. Always go direct if you can. Commission payments can add up to a LOT over time.
| Kalkstein wrote: |
| Make them pay annually/every 6 months. This way if people miss lessons it's their own fault. I can't stress this one enough, when I was teaching kids and making them pay per lesson they took days off 20% of the time. I charge everyone annually now and they need to pay every year regardless of how many classes they attend. No refunds. It also means the students I have actually do pay attention and learn. |
I think the core idea is sound. Payment in advance and clear cancellation rules avoids unnecessary student cancellations. However, 6 months / 1 year in advance seems a bit extreme. I usually charge a month in advance or 10 lessons in advance. That to me is a decent balance between commitment and flexibility. Committing students to a year in advance also means you have to commit to lessons a year in advance. What if you want to take an unplanned holiday? Or have some unexpected changes to your schedule?
| Kalkstein wrote: |
| Make them come to you, I still have 2 clients who I have to travel but I'm going to drop them if they don't come to my residence. It really takes too much time. |
+1. Very good advice. Always have the students come to you if you can. Travel time is one of the biggest contributors to lowering your effective hourly rate.
| Kalkstein wrote: |
| If a parent or kid seems too much hassle to teach, don't sweat it. Drop them and make it clear why. You can find more students, it's not always about finding students quickly it's about finding the right clients as with any business. I would rather teach a class of 5 behaved students for 300 RMB/h, than 10 students with shitty parents for 1000/h. They'll also be much more likely to be returning customers. |
One of the good things about being a private tutor is deciding who to teach, what to teach and how to teach it. That flexibility is amazing. Having said that, I'd advise anyone to remain polite and professional when dealing with any unwanted students. Being unnecessarily rude may have a negative impact on your reputation. |
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rioux
Joined: 26 Apr 2012 Posts: 880
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:36 am Post subject: |
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400RMB an hour.
3 years ago I was getting 300RMB an hour. |
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The bear
Joined: 16 Aug 2015 Posts: 483
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:32 am Post subject: |
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Important to note there's a lot of high numbers been thrown around this thread, I'm not disputing them but would like to offer a different opinion.
A lot will depend on your location, experience, ability to sell yourself, but most of all... luck. Especially as you're a fresh arrival. It takes time to build up a client base, reputation, and the lucrative privates.
You're not going to just walk into these positions. And it also depends on what you're teaching/expected to do. I used to accept 100/hour for conversation English. The guy was a university teacher and just wanted to chill and speak English, no lesson prep required. Lesson was 1 minute from my apartment in a starbucks, he always had a coffee ready for me, and pieces of art he'd done. I felt bad for getting the 100 but he insisted. Then I had the rich kid going abroad, I got 600 an hour but there was more work involved, lesson plans, material creation etc. Nothing too strenuous but I couldn't just walk into the room and talk with him.
Also depends on the class size, study material etc. etc. I had two private classes of 10 students from a local university (I capped the number at 10, didn't want larger classes as I felt I couldn't give each student the attention needed). 2 hours (2x50 minute periods with a 10 minute break) twice a week. Charged each student 25 RMB per period. Works out at 250 rmb per 50 minute period, 1,000 RMB per week per class and I had 2 groups of these students (so 2,000 rmb). They all paid for the 'semester' upfront. Works out at 8,000 RMB per month. This was 4 years ago. |
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Kalkstein
Joined: 25 Aug 2016 Posts: 80
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| Jmbf wrote: |
I think this varies by location and by teacher. I've been able to increase my rates regularly across nearly all my students. In fact, one of the methods I used to establish my initial student base was to deliberately undercharge (slightly) and then once hooked, gradually up the student rates. I've used this quite effectively over the years to increase my student rates from an average of RMB 200 / hr up to the current average RMB 500 - 600 / hr. I acknowledge this method might not work in all locations however. |
Seems like a good way to do things, I suppose there are many ways to go about it.
| Jmbf wrote: |
| I think the core idea is sound. Payment in advance and clear cancellation rules avoids unnecessary student cancellations. However, 6 months / 1 year in advance seems a bit extreme. I usually charge a month in advance or 10 lessons in advance. That to me is a decent balance between commitment and flexibility. Committing students to a year in advance also means you have to commit to lessons a year in advance. What if you want to take an unplanned holiday? Or have some unexpected changes to your schedule? |
I used to take payments for single lessons, then monthly (8 lessons) now I'm completely 6 months-1 year fee. It's also worth noting that I don't have that many 1-1 students, most of my students are in a class of 10. It was actually my clients who suggested they pay every 6 months, the 1-1 parents because they are rich and really don't care (one of them is paying per year). Some of the parents in the class of 10 asked to pay yearly also, the reason being so that I don't keep switching students in the classes (which is inconvenient for myself and the other students).
I initially thought it would be way too much but the only people who have complained are the ones who attend close to 50-70% of the time. The exact ones I want rid of anyway . Also I treat it pretty serious so I only take breaks during my university holiday or on the weekend (I don't work Sat/Sun at all). I have a contract the parents sign with details all relating to this, if I have an emergency they will be refunded for any classes that I miss.
| The bear wrote: |
Important to note there's a lot of high numbers been thrown around this thread, I'm not disputing them but would like to offer a different opinion.
Also depends on the class size, study material etc. etc. I had two private classes of 10 students from a local university (I capped the number at 10, didn't want larger classes as I felt I couldn't give each student the attention needed). 2 hours (2x50 minute periods with a 10 minute break) twice a week. Charged each student 25 RMB per period. Works out at 250 rmb per 50 minute period, 1,000 RMB per week per class and I had 2 groups of these students (so 2,000 rmb). They all paid for the 'semester' upfront. Works out at 8,000 RMB per month. This was 4 years ago. |
You were probably undercharging even for 4 years ago, I'm in a small city and I have the similar setup as you 10 students max but I charge 50 RMB for a 1 hour period and get 6 months upfront. Which is essentially 4 times the rate you were getting. The thing is my competitors who are not qualified and are not natives charge MORE than me, 60 - 80 RMB/hour. So I'm pretty cheap. I've no doubt it would be more in big cities. |
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Jmbf
Joined: 29 Jun 2014 Posts: 663
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| Kalkstein wrote: |
I used to take payments for single lessons, then monthly (8 lessons) now I'm completely 6 months-1 year fee. It's also worth noting that I don't have that many 1-1 students, most of my students are in a class of 10. It was actually my clients who suggested they pay every 6 months, the 1-1 parents because they are rich and really don't care (one of them is paying per year). Some of the parents in the class of 10 asked to pay yearly also, the reason being so that I don't keep switching students in the classes (which is inconvenient for myself and the other students).
I initially thought it would be way too much but the only people who have complained are the ones who attend close to 50-70% of the time. The exact ones I want rid of anyway . Also I treat it pretty serious so I only take breaks during my university holiday or on the weekend (I don't work Sat/Sun at all). I have a contract the parents sign with details all relating to this, if I have an emergency they will be refunded for any classes that I miss. |
Thanks for the clarification! It goes to show how varied the industry is but if you have a good attitude and try to do things professionally then it can be very lucrative. Your payment terms make more sense to me now as well. For group classes if you are charging RMB 50 / head / class then a years payment is 'only' around RMB 4,800 per year (based on 8 classes a month). That's probably acceptable to a lot of parents. I was thinking more along the lines of RMB 400 / hr which would work out to over RMB 19,000 / year payable in advance which is a lot to pay (although I'm sure some parents would still be ok with that).
| Kalkstein wrote: |
| You were probably undercharging even for 4 years ago, I'm in a small city and I have the similar setup as you 10 students max but I charge 50 RMB for a 1 hour period and get 6 months upfront. Which is essentially 4 times the rate you were getting. The thing is my competitors who are not qualified and are not natives charge MORE than me, 60 - 80 RMB/hour. So I'm pretty cheap. I've no doubt it would be more in big cities. |
Again, this goes to show the huge variation within the industry. If you are keen to do well, try to gauge the market in your local area and adjust yourself as necessary. |
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Foo_Fighters_Dave
Joined: 09 Dec 2016 Posts: 162
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| I have never understood why people who start a new job at a university or their first job in China are concerned with privates and making extra cash. They should be focused on their job first and then once they are settled, look into it. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. |
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Jmbf
Joined: 29 Jun 2014 Posts: 663
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| Foo_Fighters_Dave wrote: |
| I have never understood why people who start a new job at a university or their first job in China are concerned with privates and making extra cash. They should be focused on their job first and then once they are settled, look into it. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. |
I understand your core message - focus on your main job first, get that sorted, then you can look at secondary issues. However, from my point of view, this thinking is short-sighted. How many times have we seen posts from teachers who have settled into their jobs, then start to look for private work and then find they are in an area / environment not conducive to such work?
Seems to me that most people fall into 3 groups.
Group 1: Not interested at all in private work
Group 2: Those not focused on private work but open to the possibility
Group 3: Those who are very interested in private work
I'd wager that groups 2 and 3 make up a very significant percentage of teachers in China (perhaps even a strong majority). For those teachers, doing at least some basic research into the potential of private side work in any job / area should be part of the due diligence when researching any new job. The availability / potential of side work is an important factor to many and shouldn't be ignored. Even if a teacher isn't necessarily interested in taking up any private work, at least if they have done their research then they have the possibility to do so. This strikes me as a far better situation to be in than wanting to take on such work (even if at a later time) but not being able to do so. |
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