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travelbug66



Joined: 27 May 2015
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the go go years of TEFL have long gone as well. I still remember my first job in Qatar in 1999, one of the teachers there said he was earning £2000 a month in the early 80's !!! Look at Saudi Arabia, nearly all the jobs are offering £2000 a month, and that is for Saudi ! One of the worst hell holes any TEFL teacher could end up in. What are the bets, all Chinese language schools learn from the Korean market and in 15 years time will be offering pay of 10,000 to 15,000 RMB a month and still getting 50 applicants applying. There are always going to be a huge market on 20 something graduates with a TEFL qualification who are willing to accept low or stagnating wages, and forget pension plans or sick pay or maternity leave or anything else that 'real' jobs in the west give you. I'll say it again, for newbies, enjoy 1 year in China, then go back to the West and try with your degree to get an entry level job in whatever occupation you can. I am incredibly fortunate my mother helped me buy an apartment in the UK in 2001 for £65,000. Today it is worth £200,000, there isn't a single chance as a TEFL teacher working for 50 years could I ever buy that now.
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Hermosillo



Joined: 17 Jun 2014
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Location: Chiang Mai, Thailand

PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:07 pm    Post subject: Re: jobs Reply with quote

tin man wrote:
In the US, the go go years are gone. Employers are ridiculously idiotic. From the interview to the job. Not all are bad but pay and other things have gone downhill. In fact, I got an offer not long ago that the salary was not much more than my pay in 1982!

I got a decent offer to teach and planning to return. I read some horror stories on this forum but would love to read some good stuff if more teachers wish to share herein where things have gone well.


If you refuse to go on anything but a Z visa; you will eliminate most of the fly by night operators. I live walking distance to the Chinese Consulate in Chiang Mai. Guess how many foreign teachers have gotten working visas there? Zero!
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nimadecaomei



Joined: 22 Sep 2016
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently did not have my contract renewed. Forced me to look for a new post and the salary at the new job is three times what I have been earning. Tin Man asked to hear something nice for a change, I feel good about it Very Happy
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Jmbf



Joined: 29 Jun 2014
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

travelbug66 wrote:
Today it is worth £200,000, there isn't a single chance as a TEFL teacher working for 50 years could I ever buy that now.


I think I agree with your overall message, everyone knows that in general the income you can make in the TEFL industry is in decline in real world terms. However, I wouldn't be quite so negative about a teacher's saving potential. If you are motivated you can still move to a location where decent savings are possible.

A hard-working teacher in China would definitively be able to purchase your GBP 200,000 property and it wouldn't take them 50 years.

I think many experienced teachers in China can save at least RMB 10,000 / month. It would therefore take them approx 15 years to save up enough to buy your property, less if they invested well and gained some returns from that investment. I know several teachers in Hong Kong who would be able to save that amount up in 5-6 years. Am I cherry picking examples? Maybe, but I believe the potential is still there if savings or money is a key driver, you just have to look a bit harder to find it.
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Hatcher



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know teachers who saved or earned that amount. I save 20-25,000 RMB a month. In Korea, I once taught 65 classes a week and SAVED 75,000 CND$ in a year,,, did it a few times.
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tin man



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:36 pm    Post subject: saving Reply with quote

Saving 10000 RMB per month is not easy in the US even with a decent salary.
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twowheel



Joined: 03 Jul 2015
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: saving Reply with quote

tin man wrote:
Saving 10000 RMB per month is not easy in the US even with a decent salary.


Agreed. It is far easier for me to save double that amount per month here in Beijing than to save even a third of that amount per month in US and A (New York City).

twowheel
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twowheel



Joined: 03 Jul 2015
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hatcher wrote:
I save 20-25,000 RMB a month. In Korea, I once taught 65 classes a week and SAVED 75,000 CND$ in a year,,, did it a few times.


excelente! I like it.

good stuff, Hatcher.

Warm regards,
twowheel
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jimpellow



Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

twowheel wrote:
Hatcher wrote:
I save 20-25,000 RMB a month. In Korea, I once taught 65 classes a week and SAVED 75,000 CND$ in a year,,, did it a few times.


excelente! I like it.

good stuff, Hatcher.

Warm regards,
twowheel


Don't you think for most teachers who do this, however, are lowering their standard of living to how many Chinese live? Cold apartments, noodles, etc..

I spent far more money than I made my first four of five years in China (thank you online business) to approach a Western standard of living.

I am not knocking someone for doing this. I would just hope that some newbie doesn't read this and think he is going to be walking into some uni job and still be able to enjoy his daily Starbucks and sushi boats.
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Jmbf



Joined: 29 Jun 2014
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimpellow wrote:
Don't you think for most teachers who do this, however, are lowering their standard of living to how many Chinese live? Cold apartments, noodles, etc..


Naturally this would highly depend on a teacher's income and cost of living expenses. In Hatcher's case, I believe he mentioned that he is making 40K / month, so saving 20-25K shouldn't represent much of a sacrifice to his lifestyle.

But I do believe that you are correct in that many teachers forgo many 'western amenities' in order to achieve a more frugal lifestyle.

jimpellow wrote:
I am not knocking someone for doing this. I would just hope that some newbie doesn't read this and think he is going to be walking into some uni job and still be able to enjoy his daily Starbucks and sushi boats.


I agree. The 'newbie tax' shouldn't be underestimated. However, I still believe that for an established teacher with a few years under their belt, saving 10K / month shouldn't be that difficult or represent too much of a sacrifice to their daily lifestyle. I mean, with some experience it's not that hard to earn 15-20K / month.
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nimadecaomei



Joined: 22 Sep 2016
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was making 12-14k the last few years and minus the wife and child, 10k would have been a reasonable saving. Now I will be making over 30k and 20k a month even with them should be reasonable. You have to take into account taxes though. I am planning to save around 10-15k with a family of three (me, wife, baby). Depends on the month and such, and babies do this thing and grow. He is really not a baby, he is a 2 year old, but also not expensive. Diaper use is for bed time, clothes size changes are negated by buying less or bigger clothes, and he eats the same as us now.

We have already lost about 20k organizing it all (plus expenses for them). Mine should be recovered, theirs not (mine being about 18k, everything but their plane tickets). Though, I will say having a family and paying your own rent is an easy 10k, leaving a bit of funny money but not much (you could save it, but I did not).

edit, for the job change: I will mention this is all with my wife's mother 100% support and supplying supplementary money. Not a path I would recommend, but I know my Chinese family is going for me. They have been for years. Everyone was scared at first I needed all these documents, they saw it as stupid. When it was clearly needed, everyone was willing to do something. Any possible document request is answered, hukou with child, changing to a spousal visa, registering at any police department, I can go on. Not a joyous affair, but they will help!

Long post sorry
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