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dolfin16



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:13 pm    Post subject: Course Development Reply with quote

Hi Guys,

I've been asked to teach an Academic Writing course for first year Uni students. I have a lot of experience; however, I've always taught at places which have fully developed courses and materials. This place has NOTHING, no resources, no texts and they want me to write and deliver the course, but are only paying for the teaching hours. Can anyone suggest a reasonable hourly rate of pay for course writing? Would you charge the same as for teaching?

thanks a lot!

Dolfin
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience of European and Canadian universities, developing a new course is usually costed out at 3:1 (meaning you should be paid three hours for every hour of contact materials you produce).

I find it often takes actually longer, and occasionally less in reality, but this is at least a very limited 'industry standard,' in an industry where there are no standards.

(I have been writing such stuff for about 17 years now, for several universities, so if I can help with details, feel free to send me a PM once you have the requisite 6 prior posts).
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Course Development Reply with quote

dolfin16 wrote:
I've been asked to teach an Academic Writing course for first year Uni students.

Which country would you be teaching in?
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dolfin16



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Spiral,

Yes, that does seem reasonable, and I'd love to connect with you once I get 6 posts in.
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yurii



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: Course Development Reply with quote

dolfin16 wrote:
Hi Guys,

I've been asked to teach an Academic Writing course for first year Uni students. I have a lot of experience; however, I've always taught at places which have fully developed courses and materials. This place has NOTHING, no resources, no texts and they want me to write and deliver the course, but are only paying for the teaching hours. Can anyone suggest a reasonable hourly rate of pay for course writing? Would you charge the same as for teaching?Dolfin


I'm a bit confused here, you write "they are only paying for the teaching hours" - isn't that a bit like many TEFL jobs around the world?

Many teachers accept the rate they're paid in TEFL based on the amount of prep time/marking (amongst other things such as cost of living of the country) that they'll have to do. In other words if you feel that salary isn't good enough for the prep time required, don't accept it given that you say they're not paying for prep time. I taught in a university for one year and had zero material but I accepted that as part and parcel of the profession I'm in and if I'd asked my boss for money for prep time she would have thought I was having a laugh or something (and probably would have stated that the salary included prep time).

You say you have a lot of experience, are you really trying to tell me every place you've taught at has fully developed courses and materials? I've had experiences where the material I was given was not to my liking (let's say it like that!) and had to create it from scratch anyway. Sometimes having the material is as good as not having it if you don't use it.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lesson prep is not equivalent to course design.

Course design is usually funded by an institution in order to produce standardized course materials that can be used by multiple teachers and ideally over more than one academic year. This is particularly true when student outcomes impact GPA, stipends, or other types of student subsidies.


Course design ideally is done based in relevant literature and also often involves designing standardized marking standards for the writing produced by the students in the specific situation.

Essentially, in institutions that use formal course materials, you don't have the option to wing it on your own, as the student outcomes are carefully measured and can be relatively high-stakes.

It seems to me that the institution in question may be trying to hire an experienced teacher to produce materials that can be used by others - in which case they certainly should be paying for the development work.

OP, I'll reply more thoughtfully to your PM later today. I might have some resources that could be useful.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Course Development Reply with quote

dolfin16 wrote:
This place has NOTHING, no resources, no texts and they want me to write and deliver the course, but are only paying for the teaching hours. Can anyone suggest a reasonable hourly rate of pay for course writing? Would you charge the same as for teaching?

Given that they have zero resources, are they even willing to pay you for course design/development? Make sure this role and your rate are included in your contract.
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santi84



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where you are located?

It's $30-50/hour standard here in Canada (range for inexperienced/not finished graduate quals to experienced with graduate quals). I learned long ago not to take on contracts that won't pay anything but teaching hours. If they are expecting me to provide original lesson planning and resources, they can fork over the hours for it.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, are you able to design and develop the full course before you start teaching it, or do they see you as developing the instruction and content as you teach? Obviously, the former is better if you don't have to start teaching right away. Plus, it separates the two hats you'll have to wear.
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yurii



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
Lesson prep is not equivalent to course design.


I see. Maybe you're talking about a ''better quality'' university job (compared to the typical Asian TEFL uni gig). I mean I doubt any run of the mill Chinese uni is going to be paying the ratio of 3:1 that you mention Smile So, it would be useful if the OP at least provided more info such as which country, if the uni is actually prepared to pay for course design etc.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have taught Asians, but never in Asia. Teaching TEFL is not the same gig as teaching academic writing where I am. You are correct that where the OP is teaching matters to this conversation.
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