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nomad soul
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| I didn't follow up as I wanted a PYP slot and accommodation provided, rather than an allowance. |
The more job seekers turn down jobs that do not provide housing as part of their contracts, the more this practice will disappear. And you've got to let the employer KNOW why you're turning down the job. |
How about just not responding to job ads that don't indicate employer/sponsor-provided accommodation?  |
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scot47
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:16 am Post subject: |
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My experiences and observations lead me to echo the poster known as Hash.
Of course I am now "Yesterday;s Man" having left the Kingdom many moons ago. |
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hash
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
How about just not responding to job ads that don't indicate employer/sponsor-provided accommodation? |
Well, yes, there's always the option of just ignoring such job ads and moving on down the line. But there are several issues associated with such an approach :
1...many job ads are silent on this issue at first...or it isn't clear exactly what is meant. Only way to find out is by applying or at least contacting the employer.
2...if employers aren't made aware why people aren't applying or why their job offers are being turned down, they could come under the impression that all it'll take to fix the situation is adding another SAR 1000 or so to the "package" and that'll solve the problem. (It won't).
Remember....... the REASON employers are avoiding getting involved with "housing" for new employees other than paying a "housing allowance", is that they know very well that it is the most difficult, time consuming, aggravating , intractable and never ending set of problems associated with the hiring process. Employers have learned to do "anything" to avoid having to provide housing to employees.
As I've said before, employers will happily shove this issue down the new employee's throat and be done with it. Employers will simply pretend that this is "how it's always been" and that getting an apt. is no different in Dammam or al Hasa than it is in Tampa, Florida......or Avignon, France. If you buy into that, even as a newbie, you really shouldn't be applying to work and live in KSA.
The real culprit behind the housing issue, is, of course, the ultimate sponsor of the employee. Sponsors could easily require the contractor/employment agency to specify housing provided as part of a job offer. But it seems they too do not want to get involved in such a messy issue. Pile it on the new teacher......"Let them eat shwarma !"
As long as new employees sheepishly "accept" this state of affairs and agree to find their own housing, this is not going to change.
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| hash wrote: |
| If employers aren't made aware why people aren't applying or why their job offers are being turned down, they could come under the impression that all it'll take to fix the situation is adding another SAR 1000 or so to the "package" and that'll solve the problem. (It won't). |
However, for those who don't want to search for accommodations, there are always others who aren't put off by it, especially if they've had to find their own housing in other countries as well. I know some teachers who prefer to live away from their colleagues.
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In this case Ardell are recruting for Al Khaleej and they are only offering Iqamas due to the location of the university PYP programmes.
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Al Khaleej offered me a direct post for their own Direct Learning Centres in April but it was $3166 plus $500 accom. allowance plus $166 transport allowance. (I didn't follow up as I wanted a PYP slot and accommodation provided, rather than an allowance). |
Why were you offered a spot at their language schools and not with one of the universities they staff teachers at?
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siologen
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:56 am Post subject: re: good points... |
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Hash has made some good points, as have you NS.
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| I know some teachers who prefer to live away from their colleagues. |
I do agree with this. It will be impossible to like ALL of your colleagues, especially if you are sharing an office with them 5 days a week. The last thing you then need is some colleague who is living in the same block, or next door, mithering you and pestering you over every little thing or drama going on in his/her life at the weekend, when all you want to do is get on with marking if you have exam papers, or rest/sleep. It says a lot that a lot of FT's can't wait to bugger off to the emirates or Bahrain (if in Dammam!) each weekend, a lot I knew in Oman would go to Dubai once or twice a month, but not all, I personally found the limited time frame to be not worth it. |
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nomadic_meow
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Some time later, have yet to interview but received a request to do so from Ardell. Said that Saudis had seen my resume (only one year of secondary actually after the cert so far, which I pointed out and asked about) -- and they were apparently okay with it... Dramatic ellipses for you.
Is there any reason to expect that the university jobs with Al Khaleej would be safer than other jobs they run? I have read several pretty frightening reviews about them now. Multiple people not getting paid/due benefits or generally getting scammed into more work, as well as stashed in dodgy hotels for considerable periods or shuffled around.
Or does this only happen with centers by chance? I'm feeling pretty leery. |
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currentaffairs
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| Sharing an apartment would definitely make a difference but in the three blocks in Saudi that I have lived in I never saw much of my colleagues other than for a few outings and so on. |
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nomad soul
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Is there any reason to expect that the university jobs with Al Khaleej would be safer than other jobs they run? I have read several pretty frightening reviews about them now. Multiple people not getting paid/due benefits or generally getting scammed into more work, as well as stashed in dodgy hotels for considerable periods or shuffled around.
Or does this only happen with centers by chance? I'm feeling pretty leery. |
They're a mixed bag. |
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Siobhan 22
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In this case Ardell are recruting for Al Khaleej and they are only offering Iqamas due to the location of the university PYP programmes.
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Al Khaleej offered me a direct post for their own Direct Learning Centres in April but it was $3166 plus $500 accom. allowance plus $166 transport allowance. (I didn't follow up as I wanted a PYP slot and accommodation provided, rather than an allowance). |
Why were you offered a spot at their language schools and not with one of the universities they staff teachers at?
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They offered me a post in their language schools as it was April and for immediate deployment - it was too early to recruit teachers for PYP. |
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siologen
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| Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:40 pm Post subject: re:deployment... |
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Hello all,
Maybe it is just me as a Brit,but I balk at the wanton use of this term by recruiters in the kingdom. Only soldiers or other military types are forced to "deploy" according to my personal understanding of the verb in question. 
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/deployment
verb (used with object)
1.
Military. to spread out (troops) so as to form an extended front or line.
2.
to arrange in a position of readiness, or to move strategically or appropriately:
to deploy a battery of new missiles. |
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Kendem
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Current Affairs,
some COE colleges do offer accommodation - Interserve and HL Colleges are two. 15000SAR plus free accom. is quite a decent deal. |
Hi, I was contacted by a recruiter that were offering 160,000 a year for an Interserve post. What job posting did you see with Interserve that quote 15,000? Any info would be of help. |
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