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latefordinner
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Posts: 973
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:52 am Post subject: |
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I find it incredible that this thread has lasted long enough for me to respond to. FWIW:
1) The correct name of my country is "The Dominion of Canada". (Hey, it could be worse. When Canada was approaching nationhood from the other side in the 1860's, one hot idea was the "Kingdom of Canada". No kidding) If someone wants to refer to it as "the Dominion", or even ungrammatically as "the Dominions", I won't complain. I prefer "the Colony", but that is another issue altogether. If there is ever any confusion as to which Dominion / States / Federal Republic / Whathaveyou, one need only ask.
2) Thanks, Atlas and Yaramaz. Glad that my favourite Newfie town (Dildo) made its entry, er, ummm...
3) I'm not sure how to take the suggested new names for the Americans. It takes of bit of work, but I _can_ imagine someone saying, "Hello, I am from the Great Satan. I am a Satanist." I wouldn't want to inflict the nescessity of it upon any of the Americans that I know, but it could be done...
4) won't someone put this sucker to rest with a really funny post? |
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Seth
Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 575 Location: in exile
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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yaramaz

Joined: 05 Mar 2003 Posts: 2384 Location: Not where I was before
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:41 am Post subject: |
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How dare he insult the family of Erin Moran! Joanie loved Chachie and we should never be ashamed of this fact!
Shame on him!
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zaneth
Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 545 Location: Between Russia and Germany
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:38 am Post subject: |
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The Colony?! Hey I resent that, we're a colony too! Where do you get off saying you're THE Colony.
Hey, I know where Vancouver Island is. I even know that it used to be named (according to a treaty) Vancouver and Y Quadra's Island as a compromise solution between the Spanish and English. In an blatant act of cultural insensitivity, Y Quadra's name was dropped at some point. Never trust the Canadians to honor a treaty.
Vancouver Island, city of Vancouver, and, to make it worse, there's a Vancouver, Washington, USA (but it's small and insignificant and hardly anybody wants to go there or bothers to talk about it so it isn't a huge problem).
The 'Columbia' comment was a feeble attempt at a joke, by the way. And not directed at British Columbia. I think British Columbia is a swell. |
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Chris_Crossley

Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:59 am Post subject: The correct name(s) for my country |
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| The word used for England and Britain is the same in Japanese (although there is another word that indicates only England, it doesn't seem to be used, at least not where I am- and then I'm told they don't understand why "Igirisu" has so many names in the English language). |
I studied Japanese before I came to China ("Huhhh?!") and I remember that "Igirisu" means the UK in general and "Eikoku" means England. So I would say "Watashi wa Eikokujin desu" = "I'm (an) English (person)" or "Watashi wa Igirisujin desu" = "I'm (a) British (person)" in my class.
It's the same situation in Chinese, because "Yingguo" means the UK and "Yinggelan" means England. So "Wo shi Yinggelanren" means "I'm (an) English (person)" and "Wo shi Yingguoren" means "I'm (a) British (person)".
I can't remember the Japanese word for "Scotland", but it is "Sugelan" in Chinese. I should know, because two of my former colleagues in China had lived in Scotland and said "Wo shi Sugelanren" to the Chinese, which they thought was amazing, as, like many people, they believed that the UK and England were synonymous. However, I should say that one of the "Scots" originally came from Northern Ireland and the other one came from France! Isn't that odd?  |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:46 am Post subject: Re: The correct name(s) for my country |
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| The word used for England and Britain is the same in Japanese (although there is another word that indicates only England, it doesn't seem to be used, at least not where I am- and then I'm told they don't understand why "Igirisu" has so many names in the English language). |
I studied Japanese before I came to China ("Huhhh?!") and I remember that "Igirisu" means the UK in general and "Eikoku" means England. So I would say "Watashi wa Eikokujin desu" = "I'm (an) English (person)" or "Watashi wa Igirisujin desu" = "I'm (a) British (person)" in my class.
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Yeah....eikokujin: not used (at least around here). Igirisujin is both English person and British person. And it's listed as such in many dictionaries
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1. sanseido's romaji dictionary--> Igirisu: England; (Great) Britain. Eikoku: England; Great Britain: the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland)
2. Random House Japanese-English Dicitonary--> igirisu, England; eikoku, England
oh! Scotland is Sukottorando |
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nomadder

Joined: 15 Feb 2003 Posts: 709 Location: Somewherebetweenhereandthere
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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I believe Canada lost dominion status a number of years ago. We also don't raise the union jack anymore.  |
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Louis

Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Posts: 275 Location: Beautiful Taiyuan
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Statute of Westminster cleared that up (1931.) Or, at the very least, the repatriation of the Constitution (1982.) So, it's just Canada. |
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Jorik

Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 6 Location: The Hague, The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Also:
never speak about 'Holland' if you mean the whole country: that's what we (Dutchmen) properly call 'The Netherlands'. Holland is just the Western part of the Netherlands, roughly said: from Rotterdam upwards to The Hague, via Leiden to Amsterdam, including the polder periphery north from our beloved capital.
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Chris_Crossley

Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:23 pm Post subject: Nationalities and names of countries |
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| How many with my nationality say "I am from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" ? |
When they show the page inside their passports that show their hideously ghastly mug shot as well as their personal details, which embarrassingly indicate how old we really are when we go out to foreign climes to teach English. Sad for us, but it produces belly-laughs and guffaws for everybody else.
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Thanks, I'd forgotten - it has been more than three years since I finished that Japanese course, so, since I've been in Zhongguo for over 2 2/3 years by now, you can understand why it is that I'd forgotten!
Interestingly enough, the Chinese refer to the USA as "Meiguo", meaning "beautiful country" and to the UK as "Yingguo", meaning "brave country". Can you imagine how Americans and Brits would react if those countries' governments suggested changing the names to those?!
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| Canada lost dominion status a number of years ago. We also don't raise the union jack anymore. |
Maybe not, but Canadians cannot totally escape the Union Jack altogether. It appears in the upper-left canton (to give it the official terminology) of the provincial flags of Ontario and Manitoba, and also right across the top of the flag of (you've guessed it) British Columbia.
Incidentally, the official name for the national flag of the UK is the Union Flag, though that might cause confusion with that of the USA. It is popularly known as the "Union Jack" because it used to be flown from the jackstay on Royal Navy vessels in the age of sail. |
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Snoopy
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 185
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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In a quick written exercise, my students (in England) were asked: "Is our teacher English, Scottish, British or a European citizen?" One answer was wrong: I am not Scottish. But afterwards it provoked a lively discussion: some of the students said that they were Basque, not Spanish, and yet they spoke to each other in Spanish all the time, until they realized that I understood every word they whispered.
I could make similar remarks about the Welsh, whose population of about 3 million comprises an estimated 20% of Welsh-speakers, who use paint-sprays on the English words on all public signs with the exception of "Bed and Breakfast, Boyo".
I am English, and, if you detect any whiff of racism, it comes only from experience. |
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nik_knack0828

Joined: 15 Oct 2003 Posts: 109 Location: Chengde, PRC
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Wow Yaramaz!
I'm currently living in Chase (actually Turtle Valley, a small part of Chase) and I work in Salmon Arm. At least two of those made your list. I didn't see Turtle Valley, it's pretty small, though.
Even smaller than Spuzzum, which is my favourite British Columbia town name.
Too bad it wasn't bigger.
Ha ha "Spuzzum Public Library," "Spuzzum Town Hall," "Spuzzum University"
Those would be great!! |
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Stephen Jones
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Snoopy,
"Boyo" is a South Wales expression, particularly in the mining villages. Not many bed and breakfasts there (not many Welsh speakers either).
Still, as you said, you have many years of experience of being prejudiced, so it must be pretty hard to let facts get in the way. |
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chushki2
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 8 Location: Sacajawea, Erika
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:34 pm Post subject: a proposal |
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I have always felt there was a problem here, since Canada and Mexico both have nice, pithy names with no confusion. But saying one is "American" is too general and from "the States" always seems like one is speaking a different dialect (since almost no one from the US uses that term).
Therefore, I propose that we makes things easier by using the terms "Erika" and Erikans" in honor of Leif Eriksson. (After all, Amerigo was merely a mapmaker, and Columbus really discovered the Caribbean. Nobody is really sure where Leif landed, it's as close as anything).
Further, once reason someone might respond with a state or city when asked where she/he's from: One gets sick of:
"Where are you from?"
"The United States."
"Ah! New York or Chicago?"
For those of us from the unfortunately named Washington State, it's even worse.
"Which state are you from?"
"The STATE of Washington. Not the city! The STATE! On the West Coast! Just south of Canada!"
"Ah, Washington DC! I have a cousin in Virginia! Your neighbor!"
Therefore, I think it would be much better to rename the state Sacajawea, to avoid confusion. So let's say I'm from Sacajewea, Erika. |
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Chris_Crossley

Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:55 am Post subject: Which states are you from? |
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| But saying one is "American" is too general and from "the States" always seems like one is speaking a different dialect (since almost no one from the US uses that term). |
"Almost no one"? Are you kidding? I've met plenty of Americans who say they are from "the States", though I would say that almost no one I have met have said that they are from "The United States of America".
The idea of a "United States of Europe", however, governed under supranationalist lines from Brussels (the capital of Belgium), whereby unelected bureaucrats rather than elected politicians in each member state of the European Union call the shots, has been floating around for years. Many in the E.U. detest the idea of it becoming a "superstate" in the future rather than it remaining a pure free-trade area, which was what the British were allegedly being asked to sign up to in 1975.
Now that this so-called E.U. Constitution has been agreed upon by ministers from each state, the people themselves are now being asked to say "yes" to ratification in a referendum. If more than half of those in Britain who vote say "yes", then the U.K. will see its national sovereignty eventually and completely surrendered to Brussels, and the same will apply to all E.U. states if their people say "yes", too, according to what the Eurosceptics say. Hence, sooner or later, anybody from the E.U. may be in the totally absurd situation of saying, "I'm from the States (too) - the United States of Europe!" rather than "I'm from Britain/Ireland/France/Germany", etc, etc.
Can you imagine the indignity of it all? From the anti-E.U. stance, Britain managed to fight for and maintain its freedom during World War II, only, it seems, for it to be on the point of surrendering its freedom via the ballot box - if only because not enough people know (or else want to know) what is really going on with this E.U. business. |
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