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CNexpatesl
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OP, are you female? They don't really seem to hire men for these jobs, do they?
Where do you guys find all these high paying jobs? I'm in lots of WeChat job groups and check job boards. 99.9% of jobs don't go above 25k RMB / month. |
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getbehindthemule
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Location: Shanghai
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This is an interesting one. If you love kids and are a very patient person it could work I guess. Hard work but the salary is decent.
I'm a subject teacher at Primary school level and I see the struggles of the Homeroom teachers (albeit predominantly Chinese teachers):
Overly worked (not even time for a toilet break at times).
Even when they have a free period, other teachers will often send naughty kids to them to disipline etc.
Easily stressed/angered (large class sizes difficult to control at times but imagine the same class all day, every day!).
Dealing with parents can be stressful and time consuming. |
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LarssonCrew
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I got my teaching license and was offered a job at a primary school in BJ. Took it because the perks are good [over 20k, amazing health insurance, a great housing allowance, long holidays]. I turned up and I was teaching kindergarten. Biggest regret of my life.
It burns through you. My fellow teachers in the primary school have 2 hours or more per day of breaks. I have 30 minutes. That's it. And even then I'm asked to translate something or reword something often. It drives me mad.
The worst part is not even how physically tired you get, but the mental tiredness. If a child needs to go to the bathroom someone must go with them. You cannot let a child do anything on their own and even when you're in the classroom and teaching, you have to be constantly aware. At almost any time you look up some child will be breaking the rules somehow.
Also, because of how young the students are, even when they have external classes such as art or PE, I still have to attend with them. I also have to prepare everything that I need for classes like flashcards, items and objects, stories etc. and have no time.
I work 7:45 - 5pm and it's a killer.
Luckily in the summer I will transfer to a primary School where I will teach grade 4 and specialise in mathematics which I enjoy doing.
Even as a homeroom teacher, most of the students are so young you cannot have any kind of meaningful conversations in English with them and I get slated if I speak Chinese to them. So there you go. Do not do it. |
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Jmbf
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| You can get 600/h without much difficulty. |
Not true. 600/hr might be possible but its very location dependent and you need to have spent a decent amount of time building up your reputation. Or you have to go through the process of grouping several private students together into one class.
Neither of those options can be done quickly and they certainly can't be done very easily. |
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getbehindthemule
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Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| Jmbf wrote: |
| Kalkstein wrote: |
| You can get 600/h without much difficulty. |
Not true. 600/hr might be possible but its very location dependent and you need to have spent a decent amount of time building up your reputation. Or you have to go through the process of grouping several private students together into one class.
Neither of those options can be done quickly and they certainly can't be done very easily. |
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That figure is not possible, even in Shanghai, without contacts. So the 600/hr is very misleading. In saying that , once you build up a reputation and gain trust lucrative work can certainly come your way from colleagues, parents, etc.
I have been recently offered 500/hr per student to teach a class of 5-6 at weekends next semester. The reasons being：
The person organising it is a friend of my wife.
They live in the outskirts of the City and there is no FT available to the students. |
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Kalkstein
Joined: 25 Aug 2016
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| Jmbf wrote: |
| Kalkstein wrote: |
| You can get 600/h without much difficulty. |
Not true. 600/hr might be possible but its very location dependent and you need to have spent a decent amount of time building up your reputation.
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It's not really location dependent I'm doing this in a tier 4. If I were in a tier 1 city I am absolutely certain I could make 1,000/hour. Took me just over a year.
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| Jmbf wrote: |
| Kalkstein wrote: |
| You can get 600/h without much difficulty. |
Not true. 600/hr might be possible but its very location dependent and you need to have spent a decent amount of time building up your reputation. Or you have to go through the process of grouping several private students together into one class.
Neither of those options can be done quickly and they certainly can't be done very easily. |
+1
That figure is not possible, even in Shanghai, without contacts. So the 600/hr is very misleading. In saying that , once you build up a reputation and gain trust lucrative work can certainly come your way from colleagues, parents, etc.
I have been recently offered 500/hr per student to teach a class of 5-6 at weekends next semester. The reasons being：
The person organising it is a friend of my wife.
They live in the outskirts of the City and there is no FT available to the students. |
It's not possible yet here I am with 14 group classes a week @ 600/hour and two individual students paying 500/hour in a tier four city. All within 1 year 2 months. I've seen locals here charge 500/hour to teach maths. You all are crazy charging anything less. I've got about 30 students on a waiting list...
If I was in Shanghai I'd be making 1k/hour absolutely no doubt about it. You are really selling yourself short. I charge a year up front for all classes so I don't deal with no shows. If you take private tutoring serious you will make serious money. |
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Jmbf
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| Kalkstein wrote: |
| It's not really location dependent I'm doing this in a tier 4. If I were in a tier 1 city I am absolutely certain I could make 1,000/hour. Took me just over a year. |
It IS location dependent. Try tutoring on a remote rural university campus with strict rules on taking on outside work. That's not to say that tutoring won't work in multiple locations, it's just that it won't work everywhere. There are multiple threads on here about teachers complaining about the lack of tutoring opportunities in their area.
| Kalkstein wrote: |
| It's not possible yet here I am with 14 group classes a week @ 600/hour and two individual students paying 500/hour in a tier four city. All within 1 year 2 months. I've seen locals here charge 500/hour to teach maths. You all are crazy charging anything less. I've got about 30 students on a waiting list... |
Anecdotal evidence at best. Just because you made it happen doesn't mean that a.) anyone else can and that b.) it is as easy for others as you claim. You may have made it work but you have remember that the private tutoring field is incredibly diverse. Your experience is different from others and to be honest it doesn't reflect the reality for most teachers.
| Kalkstein wrote: |
| If I was in Shanghai I'd be making 1k/hour absolutely no doubt about it. You are really selling yourself short. I charge a year up front for all classes so I don't deal with no shows. |
Hypothetical situations aren't really relevant. Come back IF you have managed to make this work in Shanghai and then you can detail how you did it.
| Kalkstein wrote: |
| If you take private tutoring serious you will make serious money. |
This I fully agree with. But don't sell false hopes and dreams. The average Joe isn't going to be able to demand 600/hr after only a year or so unless it's an extremely exceptional situation. Otherwise every Dick, Joe and Harry would be talking about it. The truth is it takes time and hard work to be a successful tutor. |
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